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This is infuriating to me as well. And the stupid Firefox restart dinosaur always comes up at the worst possible time. I would have switched to a new browser ye

This is infuriating to me as well. And the stupid Firefox restart dinosaur always comes up at the worst possible time. I would have switched to a new browser years ago, but Firefox seems to be the only one that supports vertical tabs.

jimpudar 4y ago
Edge has vertical tabs built in. Many other browsers can be made to have vertical tabs with plugins.
- wongarsu 4y ago
  Given that the issue of Firefox being forced to restart primarily happens on Linux, I doubt Edge is an option for them. Though I have to concur that Edge has one of the most stable and smooth vertical tab implementations around, most of the plugin-based ones are more fully featured but much less reliable.
  - tmtvl 4y ago
    Edge has been released for Linux a while now... not that I know anyone who uses it, but it's available for those who need it.
    - tracker1 4y ago
      I use it, and it's decent. And more in the vein of "it's not google" though I do slightly prefer the chrome dev tools to the modifications that Edge has made. I don't like a lot of the "helpers" for shopping though. And definitely don't like the article wall with ads that are really hard to block/script out.
- seba_dos1 4y ago
  Edge is not free. I wouldn't seriously consider using a non-free application for something as essential as everyday web browsing. You can't really have usable vertical tabs in Chromium via plugins either, unless you're content with wasting a lot of horizontal space for an ugly sidebar and vertical space for uselessly duplicated tab bar. Firefox is the only actual choice I'm aware about.
  - prange 4y ago
    > I wouldn't seriously consider using a non-free application for something as essential as everyday web browsing. Why? Are you considering forking Firefox?
    - prange 4y ago
      For clarification - if you either contribute code or money to Firefox, you are clearly supporting the existence of a free browser. I don’t see how just using it does. So if you aren’t contributing to it you may as well use the browser with the best feature set for your use case.
      - ipaddr 4y ago
        Marketshare is important, default search engine revenue is based on usage.
        prange 4y ago
        It’s not really ‘free’ if it has to produce ad revenue.
        seba_dos1 4y ago
        It is irrelevant to it being free.
        prange 4y ago
        No it isn’t. The direction of development is controlled by the need for funding.
        seba_dos1 4y ago
        The direction of development is irrelevant to it being free.
jamienicol 4y ago
Download firefox from the mozilla website instead of using the ubuntu package and this won't happen. Or disable auto upgrades.
k__ 4y ago
A few weeks ago, I read that vertical tabs landed in Brave's nightly, but still behind a flag. So, there seems to be hope.
wruza 4y ago
I am using opera with “tree tabs” extension, but afair there is a similar (or the same?) extension for chrome. Although they do not hide the horizontal tab bar.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  Firefox unfortunately copied Chrome's behavior and you have to resort to a user script to hide the horizontal tabs.
deadbunny 4y ago
Maybe I'm missing something or set some settings years ago and have forgotten but I have zero problems with restarting Firefox after an update from my package manager. I regularly have 2-4 Firefox windows with dozens of tabs in each and a "You need to restart" button press takes like 4-5 seconds max to close all windows and reload them all with all of my tabs as they were. The most I have to do is stick each instance on the right workspace. Granted each tab will reload when opening it but if I'm updating my OS packages I'm probably not exactly "in the zone".

jimpudar 4y ago

Edge has vertical tabs built in. Many other browsers can be made to have vertical tabs with plugins.

wongarsu 4y ago
Given that the issue of Firefox being forced to restart primarily happens on Linux, I doubt Edge is an option for them. Though I have to concur that Edge has one of the most stable and smooth vertical tab implementations around, most of the plugin-based ones are more fully featured but much less reliable.
- tmtvl 4y ago
  Edge has been released for Linux a while now... not that I know anyone who uses it, but it's available for those who need it.
  - tracker1 4y ago
    I use it, and it's decent. And more in the vein of "it's not google" though I do slightly prefer the chrome dev tools to the modifications that Edge has made. I don't like a lot of the "helpers" for shopping though. And definitely don't like the article wall with ads that are really hard to block/script out.
seba_dos1 4y ago
Edge is not free. I wouldn't seriously consider using a non-free application for something as essential as everyday web browsing. You can't really have usable vertical tabs in Chromium via plugins either, unless you're content with wasting a lot of horizontal space for an ugly sidebar and vertical space for uselessly duplicated tab bar. Firefox is the only actual choice I'm aware about.
- prange 4y ago
  > I wouldn't seriously consider using a non-free application for something as essential as everyday web browsing. Why? Are you considering forking Firefox?
  - prange 4y ago
    For clarification - if you either contribute code or money to Firefox, you are clearly supporting the existence of a free browser. I don’t see how just using it does. So if you aren’t contributing to it you may as well use the browser with the best feature set for your use case.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      Marketshare is important, default search engine revenue is based on usage.
      - prange 4y ago
        It’s not really ‘free’ if it has to produce ad revenue.
        seba_dos1 4y ago
        It is irrelevant to it being free.
        prange 4y ago
        No it isn’t. The direction of development is controlled by the need for funding.
        seba_dos1 4y ago
        The direction of development is irrelevant to it being free.

jamienicol 4y ago

Download firefox from the mozilla website instead of using the ubuntu package and this won't happen. Or disable auto upgrades.

k__ 4y ago

A few weeks ago, I read that vertical tabs landed in Brave's nightly, but still behind a flag. So, there seems to be hope.

wruza 4y ago

I am using opera with “tree tabs” extension, but afair there is a similar (or the same?) extension for chrome. Although they do not hide the horizontal tab bar.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
Firefox unfortunately copied Chrome's behavior and you have to resort to a user script to hide the horizontal tabs.

deadbunny 4y ago

Maybe I'm missing something or set some settings years ago and have forgotten but I have zero problems with restarting Firefox after an update from my package manager. I regularly have 2-4 Firefox windows with dozens of tabs in each and a "You need to restart" button press takes like 4-5 seconds max to close all windows and reload them all with all of my tabs as they were. The most I have to do is stick each instance on the right workspace. Granted each tab will reload when opening it but if I'm updating my OS packages I'm probably not exactly "in the zone".