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No one wants to tell us fatties to not eat farmed animals, and not drive cars okay? /s

mandmandam 4y ago
Fossil fuel companies knew about climate change and deliberately spent decades obfuscating the issue and warping discourse. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-cl... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97... The audacious PR plot that seeded doubt about climate change: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696 Etc, etc, etc. So, blaming people for having stupid opinions that various companies spent billions injecting into the discourse seems misguided. At best.
- ForRealsies 4y ago
- o_1 4y ago
  we're we supposed to all stop driving cars?
  - tingol 4y ago
    Or not build out a continent to suit cars and not people? Disgusting city planning that lead to not having a car being nearly impossible in the US.
    - treeman79 4y ago
      Bus line was closed for 2 years from Covid. Absolutely no chance I’ll trust a city enough to give up my car.
  - grive 4y ago
    We are supposed to stop designing cities around cars, yes.
  - mandmandam 4y ago
    It's pretty universally accepted that investing in public transport and trains 40 years ago would have led to an awesome economic boon, while dramatically lowering emissions. As mentioned, planning could have been much better. And every poor decision there has some car or oil corporation's fingerprints on it. We could have spent much more on solar, nuclear, and other cleaner power. We could have punished media and politicians that helped sell out our planets future for some slimy oil dollars. There's a lot we could have done. But instead we have takes like yours; a direct result of 40 years of FUD and misinformation. Do you have the faintest idea what those cars, those cows, those oil spills and methane leaks cost us? And they're going to cost much much more.
    - bhargav 4y ago
      I guess not everyone realizes that /s means sarcasm? I don’t disagree that oil and use of oil has caused a negative impact on Earth lol. I don’t think we could’ve done anything in the last fourty years nor do I think we can do anything to stop. It’s too late. There’s no way we can stop the use of oil and cars now. Sure we can switch to electric, but I don’t think that will stop the snowball. It’s too entrenched and part of our life now. Sure we can be altruistic and ban the sale of non-EVs but what about all the millions of cars that are already in the streets? The oil pockets are too deep for government to just ban existing vehicles. In fact the governments have caused wars to protect their oil assets…
  - Tozen 4y ago
    We can definitely switch to driving electric cars. Especially when most people drive just 20 miles to reach their job, and a significant amount of that is in traffic. Destroying the air we breath and the planet for an average 20 mile drive, that takes an average 25 minutes, is plain insanity. It's well within the capability of electric cars to get the average person to and from work, and most of any form of driving they usually do.

Fossil fuel companies knew about climate change and deliberately spent decades obfuscating the issue and warping discourse. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-cl... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97... The audacious PR plot that seeded doubt about climate change: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62225696 Etc, etc, etc. So, blaming people for having stupid opinions that various companies spent billions injecting into the discourse seems misguided. At best.

ForRealsies 4y ago
o_1 4y ago
we're we supposed to all stop driving cars?
- tingol 4y ago
  Or not build out a continent to suit cars and not people? Disgusting city planning that lead to not having a car being nearly impossible in the US.
  - treeman79 4y ago
    Bus line was closed for 2 years from Covid. Absolutely no chance I’ll trust a city enough to give up my car.
- grive 4y ago
  We are supposed to stop designing cities around cars, yes.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  It's pretty universally accepted that investing in public transport and trains 40 years ago would have led to an awesome economic boon, while dramatically lowering emissions. As mentioned, planning could have been much better. And every poor decision there has some car or oil corporation's fingerprints on it. We could have spent much more on solar, nuclear, and other cleaner power. We could have punished media and politicians that helped sell out our planets future for some slimy oil dollars. There's a lot we could have done. But instead we have takes like yours; a direct result of 40 years of FUD and misinformation. Do you have the faintest idea what those cars, those cows, those oil spills and methane leaks cost us? And they're going to cost much much more.
  - bhargav 4y ago
    I guess not everyone realizes that /s means sarcasm? I don’t disagree that oil and use of oil has caused a negative impact on Earth lol. I don’t think we could’ve done anything in the last fourty years nor do I think we can do anything to stop. It’s too late. There’s no way we can stop the use of oil and cars now. Sure we can switch to electric, but I don’t think that will stop the snowball. It’s too entrenched and part of our life now. Sure we can be altruistic and ban the sale of non-EVs but what about all the millions of cars that are already in the streets? The oil pockets are too deep for government to just ban existing vehicles. In fact the governments have caused wars to protect their oil assets…
- Tozen 4y ago
  We can definitely switch to driving electric cars. Especially when most people drive just 20 miles to reach their job, and a significant amount of that is in traffic. Destroying the air we breath and the planet for an average 20 mile drive, that takes an average 25 minutes, is plain insanity. It's well within the capability of electric cars to get the average person to and from work, and most of any form of driving they usually do.