I agree and made note of framework and tool advancements above, but you are still missing the point. Good utilities make it quicker to create an application, b

I agree and made note of framework and tool advancements above, but you are still missing the point. Good utilities make it quicker to create an application, but they don't create good programmers or good code by themselves. Squeak (http://www.squeak.org/ http://www.squeak.org/) was an interesting advent. It made programming pretty simple. A layperson playing with squeak could "program," but it hardly stands in for even an introductory CS class. I also take issue with the fact that you treat programming or web app development as if good is a static threshold. A good web app a few years ago hardly compares today, and that can be seen in the evolution of almost any major website.