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For context: Switzerland doesn't have evoting. This is just some big company trying to re-sell a evoting system to the government. It has been in the news a few

For context: Switzerland doesn't have evoting. This is just some big company trying to re-sell a evoting system to the government. It has been in the news a few times, due to software and cryptographic quality issues.

crisbal_ 4y ago
> big company Isn't it the Swiss post?
popcalc 4y ago
https://www.evoting.ch/en https://www.evoting.ch/en Do the bare minimum research before posting please.
- eps 4y ago
  That's exactly the company and the product. You could've scrolled a bit more: https://www.evoting.ch/en#transparenz https://www.evoting.ch/en#transparenz Voting in Switzerland is either in person or by mail.
  - popcalc 4y ago
    >Swiss Post has been providing an e-voting system for the cantons since 2016. It has been developing its new system with complete verifiability at its IT site in Neuchâtel since 2020, providing an e-voting system from Switzerland. https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting?shortcut=evoting https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting?shortcut=...
    - Igrom 4y ago
      Then next paragraph says: >It plans to make the system available to the cantons for the trial operation once the development and evaluation of the system has been completed. https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting In addition, another page on the same website says: >The cantons of Neuchâtel, Fribourg, Thurgau and Basel-Stadt used Swiss Post’s previous e-voting system until 2019. The following cantons (among others) are planning to use the new Swiss Post system once this becomes legally and technically possible: [list of cantons follows] >https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting/success-through-cooperation https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting/success-t... A Swiss Post press statement says: >Since the beginning of 2021, Swiss Post’s future e-voting system has been put through its paces by independent experts from all over the world. Another testing opportunity is now available: in addition to the ongoing test options, ethical hackers can now attack the e-voting infrastructure for a period of four weeks. This means that, for the first time, they can accurately simulate and target the vote casting process on the voting portal using sample voting cards. The aim is to detect potential vulnerabilities and rectify them in good time. Swiss Post expects to make its new e-voting system available for use by interested cantons during the course of 2023. https://www.post.ch/en/about-us/media/press-releases/2022/ethical-hackers-can-now-target-the-e-voting-system https://www.post.ch/en/about-us/media/press-releases/2022/et... I don't understand why you must be so haughty (vide "Do the bare minimum research before posting please."). Certainly, you are correct for some definition of "Switzerland has an e-voting system" --- there is one under development, and it had been piloted for a limited time period. However, at the moment, it's only in the public testing stage, it's not officially recognized, cannot be used to cast votes, and there is no guarantee that it will get a green light. I think that's the more accepted definition of "to have an e-voting system", in which case the OP was right, and it was you who did not do adequate research.
- xupybd 4y ago
  There is also a bare minimum of manners for polite conversation. I for one prefer when people act politely here. HN is one of the few places online that's normally civil in the comments section.
greyw 4y ago
It's a state owned company so it is kinda selling to itself.
benevol 4y ago
> Switzerland doesn't have evoting. And given what they show off, they should abstain from it for the next 1000 years.
mthld 4y ago
Well, I'm swiss and evoting at least twice a year... https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/living-abroad/schweizerinnen-und-schweizer-im-ausland/dienstleistungen-schweizer-ausland/political-rights.html https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/living-abroad/schweizer...
- nairboon 4y ago
  and you are living abroad?
- Igrom 4y ago
  I can't really dispute it if that's what you claim that you're doing, but how can that be? Article 2.3 from the file "Political rights of the Swiss abroad", which is available under your link, asserts: >2.3 E-voting >The option to vote online in federal votes and elections has been on hold since mid-2019. >Adjustments are to be made to the pilot scheme by the end of 2020. The aim is to establish a stable scheme, using the latest technology, and create an accurate and transparent end-to-end voting system that also preserves the secrecy of the ballot. Efforts are also being made to raise levels of public confidence in e-voting by extending independent monitoring, ensuring greater transparency with regard to e-voting systems and how they operate, and involving the scientific community more effectively. The necessary conditions for resuming the e-voting trials will be redefined by 2020. Is the government information out of date? If so, this should be reported.
- huhtenberg 4y ago
  That's not the same system and it's just for the people living outside of the country.
sampo 4y ago
> Switzerland doesn't have evoting. Looks like they had it in varying number of areas from 2003 to 2019. Then all systems were withdrawn due to security concerns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Switzerla... https://www.ch.ch/en/votes-and-elections/e-voting/#revision-of-the-legal-basis https://www.ch.ch/en/votes-and-elections/e-voting/#revision-...
- nairboon 4y ago
  Cantons may experiment with evoting in limited pilot schemes.

crisbal_ 4y ago

> big company Isn't it the Swiss post?

popcalc 4y ago

https://www.evoting.ch/en https://www.evoting.ch/en Do the bare minimum research before posting please.

eps 4y ago
That's exactly the company and the product. You could've scrolled a bit more: https://www.evoting.ch/en#transparenz https://www.evoting.ch/en#transparenz Voting in Switzerland is either in person or by mail.
- popcalc 4y ago
  >Swiss Post has been providing an e-voting system for the cantons since 2016. It has been developing its new system with complete verifiability at its IT site in Neuchâtel since 2020, providing an e-voting system from Switzerland. https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting?shortcut=evoting https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting?shortcut=...
  - Igrom 4y ago
    Then next paragraph says: >It plans to make the system available to the cantons for the trial operation once the development and evaluation of the system has been completed. https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting In addition, another page on the same website says: >The cantons of Neuchâtel, Fribourg, Thurgau and Basel-Stadt used Swiss Post’s previous e-voting system until 2019. The following cantons (among others) are planning to use the new Swiss Post system once this becomes legally and technically possible: [list of cantons follows] >https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting/success-through-cooperation https://www.post.ch/en/business-solutions/e-voting/success-t... A Swiss Post press statement says: >Since the beginning of 2021, Swiss Post’s future e-voting system has been put through its paces by independent experts from all over the world. Another testing opportunity is now available: in addition to the ongoing test options, ethical hackers can now attack the e-voting infrastructure for a period of four weeks. This means that, for the first time, they can accurately simulate and target the vote casting process on the voting portal using sample voting cards. The aim is to detect potential vulnerabilities and rectify them in good time. Swiss Post expects to make its new e-voting system available for use by interested cantons during the course of 2023. https://www.post.ch/en/about-us/media/press-releases/2022/ethical-hackers-can-now-target-the-e-voting-system https://www.post.ch/en/about-us/media/press-releases/2022/et... I don't understand why you must be so haughty (vide "Do the bare minimum research before posting please."). Certainly, you are correct for some definition of "Switzerland has an e-voting system" --- there is one under development, and it had been piloted for a limited time period. However, at the moment, it's only in the public testing stage, it's not officially recognized, cannot be used to cast votes, and there is no guarantee that it will get a green light. I think that's the more accepted definition of "to have an e-voting system", in which case the OP was right, and it was you who did not do adequate research.
xupybd 4y ago
There is also a bare minimum of manners for polite conversation. I for one prefer when people act politely here. HN is one of the few places online that's normally civil in the comments section.

greyw 4y ago

It's a state owned company so it is kinda selling to itself.

benevol 4y ago

> Switzerland doesn't have evoting. And given what they show off, they should abstain from it for the next 1000 years.

mthld 4y ago

Well, I'm swiss and evoting at least twice a year... https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/living-abroad/schweizerinnen-und-schweizer-im-ausland/dienstleistungen-schweizer-ausland/political-rights.html https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa/living-abroad/schweizer...

nairboon 4y ago
and you are living abroad?
Igrom 4y ago
I can't really dispute it if that's what you claim that you're doing, but how can that be? Article 2.3 from the file "Political rights of the Swiss abroad", which is available under your link, asserts: >2.3 E-voting >The option to vote online in federal votes and elections has been on hold since mid-2019. >Adjustments are to be made to the pilot scheme by the end of 2020. The aim is to establish a stable scheme, using the latest technology, and create an accurate and transparent end-to-end voting system that also preserves the secrecy of the ballot. Efforts are also being made to raise levels of public confidence in e-voting by extending independent monitoring, ensuring greater transparency with regard to e-voting systems and how they operate, and involving the scientific community more effectively. The necessary conditions for resuming the e-voting trials will be redefined by 2020. Is the government information out of date? If so, this should be reported.
huhtenberg 4y ago
That's not the same system and it's just for the people living outside of the country.

sampo 4y ago

> Switzerland doesn't have evoting. Looks like they had it in varying number of areas from 2003 to 2019. Then all systems were withdrawn due to security concerns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_in_Switzerla... https://www.ch.ch/en/votes-and-elections/e-voting/#revision-of-the-legal-basis https://www.ch.ch/en/votes-and-elections/e-voting/#revision-...

nairboon 4y ago
Cantons may experiment with evoting in limited pilot schemes.