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Didn't bun/oven recently get into hot water for explicitly recruiting for employees willing to work unpaid overtime and invest founder-level passion into the pr

by hnbad 4y ago

Didn't bun/oven recently get into hot water for explicitly recruiting for employees willing to work unpaid overtime and invest founder-level passion into the project without anywhere near comparable compensation/ownership and then making a big stink when former employees of similar bootstrapped tech startups called them out for it? I was pretty excited when I saw the initial release but that entire ordeal torpedoed my interest. If you're a startup and looking for someone to dedicate their life to you, you're looking for a co-founder, not a salaried employee. We've seen what happens to infrastructure startups with zealous employees with npm Inc, we don't need a repeat of that. EDIT: I was trying to find the original tweets by the company but it looks like there are only quote-retweets talking about it left as the originals have been deleted.

lf-non 4y ago
Well, I am not huge fan of the hustle culture either but its technically not "unpaid overtime" if the expectations around how much time commitment is expected is made known upfront along with the salary. It could have been much worse if these expectations were found out after joining.
- himujjal 4y ago
  This is what I have been saying. Amazon makes people work 8-12 hours a day here in India and its not even talked about. And this is not actually known before joining. At least bun says that outright. Some people actually don't mind working hard unlike others if things are interesting. Not everyone is the same. There is certainly more fun working on bun out in the open than solving some random bug in Netflix, Amazon without even being noticed. And with forewarned warning.
acdha 4y ago
Yeah, completely killed my interest in the project. That “you work yourself into poor health so we get rich” attitude is toxic and has killed too many otherwise promising projects because it’s unsustainable.

by hnbad 4y ago

lf-non 4y ago

Well, I am not huge fan of the hustle culture either but its technically not "unpaid overtime" if the expectations around how much time commitment is expected is made known upfront along with the salary. It could have been much worse if these expectations were found out after joining.

himujjal 4y ago
This is what I have been saying. Amazon makes people work 8-12 hours a day here in India and its not even talked about. And this is not actually known before joining. At least bun says that outright. Some people actually don't mind working hard unlike others if things are interesting. Not everyone is the same. There is certainly more fun working on bun out in the open than solving some random bug in Netflix, Amazon without even being noticed. And with forewarned warning.

acdha 4y ago

Yeah, completely killed my interest in the project. That “you work yourself into poor health so we get rich” attitude is toxic and has killed too many otherwise promising projects because it’s unsustainable.