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After the probation you need a really good reason and it costs a lot of money / paperwork / worker's right etc.

rvense 4y ago
Absolutely not true in Denmark. A good reason can be something like "we are eliminating this position for strategic reasons", and the only money it will cost you is the three-six months (depending on how long they've been at the company) that you have to keep paying them, during which they are required to work as normal and act loyally.
- ttoinou 4y ago
  Good for Denmark !
- wincy 4y ago
  Isn’t that slavery with extra steps? What if I moved out of the country? This seems bizarre to me as an American. I’d do as little work as possible for that time and be resentful about it.
  - rvense 4y ago
    > Isn’t that slavery with extra steps? That's a pretty wild comparison? > What if I moved out of the country? This seems bizarre to me as an American. I’d do as little work as possible for that time and be resentful about it. Well, things are usually a little more relaxed during that period. The employer is also required to make accommodations for you to find a new job, e.g. allow time off to go to interviews. As for leaving the country or not showing up, sure, the company might have grounds to sue and they could certainly stop paying you in that case, but, y'know, generally people act like adults. There are exceptions to this rule about notices, so a day-to-day firing is possible in extreme circumstances. Like if you're not showing up at all, or blatantly not doing your job, are violent etc., you can be banished from the workplace and not paid from that day. But the point is, if you've been doing your job and get fired, you have the option to be at least somewhat reasonable about it and in return you get three months to find your feet and move on. By far most people take this. Also, in the converse situation, where it's you who wish to leave, the rule is that you give at least one month's notice. This is sometimes not what you want, of course, but I think most people view it as a fair and reasonable trade, especially in light of the rules about getting fired.
- abracadabra_ 4y ago
  That sounds similar to redundancy in the UK but much more generous. It always possible to get rid of either an employee or a role. The problem comes when you're getting rid of a whole department or say 10% of your employees. There are a lot more rules around that.
sunderw 4y ago
In France, for example, you have 4 months (and you can renew it 3 more months so 7 in total) probation period. If you need more then 7 months to realise you've made a wrong hire, then I think you can spend take a few more months to fire someone and not decide to fire someone at a whim.
- ttoinou 4y ago
  Yes, that makes my point. During probation hiring and firing is easy. After probation the hard choice is made (they can fire you easily right before the end) and firing is hard.

Absolutely not true in Denmark. A good reason can be something like "we are eliminating this position for strategic reasons", and the only money it will cost you is the three-six months (depending on how long they've been at the company) that you have to keep paying them, during which they are required to work as normal and act loyally.

ttoinou 4y ago
Good for Denmark !
wincy 4y ago
Isn’t that slavery with extra steps? What if I moved out of the country? This seems bizarre to me as an American. I’d do as little work as possible for that time and be resentful about it.
- rvense 4y ago
  > Isn’t that slavery with extra steps? That's a pretty wild comparison? > What if I moved out of the country? This seems bizarre to me as an American. I’d do as little work as possible for that time and be resentful about it. Well, things are usually a little more relaxed during that period. The employer is also required to make accommodations for you to find a new job, e.g. allow time off to go to interviews. As for leaving the country or not showing up, sure, the company might have grounds to sue and they could certainly stop paying you in that case, but, y'know, generally people act like adults. There are exceptions to this rule about notices, so a day-to-day firing is possible in extreme circumstances. Like if you're not showing up at all, or blatantly not doing your job, are violent etc., you can be banished from the workplace and not paid from that day. But the point is, if you've been doing your job and get fired, you have the option to be at least somewhat reasonable about it and in return you get three months to find your feet and move on. By far most people take this. Also, in the converse situation, where it's you who wish to leave, the rule is that you give at least one month's notice. This is sometimes not what you want, of course, but I think most people view it as a fair and reasonable trade, especially in light of the rules about getting fired.
abracadabra_ 4y ago
That sounds similar to redundancy in the UK but much more generous. It always possible to get rid of either an employee or a role. The problem comes when you're getting rid of a whole department or say 10% of your employees. There are a lot more rules around that.

sunderw 4y ago

In France, for example, you have 4 months (and you can renew it 3 more months so 7 in total) probation period. If you need more then 7 months to realise you've made a wrong hire, then I think you can spend take a few more months to fire someone and not decide to fire someone at a whim.

ttoinou 4y ago
Yes, that makes my point. During probation hiring and firing is easy. After probation the hard choice is made (they can fire you easily right before the end) and firing is hard.