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The guards are still usually W-2 employees; but they’re employees of the firm that’s been contracted. Referring to them as “contractors” is more a colloquialism

by SllX 4y ago

The guards are still usually W-2 employees; but they’re employees of the firm that’s been contracted. Referring to them as “contractors” is more a colloquialism, but it marks someone that works for an outside firm versus someone that’s in-house and on the company team, even if they work in the same office day in and day out.

b800h 4y ago
Yeah, there's a big disparity between UK and US terminology here. I'm the UK, a "contractor" is typically in business on their own account, applying for jobs directly to the end client. In the US, it seems like a "contractor" frequently works for an outsourcing company. In the UK we'd typically call these people "temps" or "consultancy staff" depending on the source.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  > In the US, it seems like a "contractor" frequently works for an outsourcing company. In the UK we'd typically call these people "temps" or "consultancy staff" depending on the source. I think contractor is still used in that case in the UK sometimes too. The obvious example being construction firms.
- lupire 4y ago
  It's Temp/Vendor/Contractor lumped together as "people who work here but allegedly aren't legally employees of thia company, so we can deceive about all the great benefits "all" our "employees" get.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  Doesn’t consultancy staff also cover people working for an actual consulting company? I have worked on long contract - one or two years - for clients in the past helping them structure and put in place large projects and while I was technically there full time it was pretty clear that this was temporary, I was filling a punctual need the business wouldn’t have after and there was a somewhat clear idea of when we would part. These relations are not necessary a way to pay less or not give benefits. I was actually paid a lot better than if I had been working there.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
I was specifically referring to security guards structured as 1099 contractors. They do not have to be employees.
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  I'd be very surprised if security firms weren't classifying employees as contractors for the firm's financial gain.
  - lupire 4y ago
    *misclassifying.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  Are security guards employed as 1099 common? I was under the impression that most companies were just outsourcing and guards were actually full time employees of companies specialising in security in the same way most cleaning staff works for a cleaning company.

by SllX 4y ago

b800h 4y ago

Yeah, there's a big disparity between UK and US terminology here. I'm the UK, a "contractor" is typically in business on their own account, applying for jobs directly to the end client. In the US, it seems like a "contractor" frequently works for an outsourcing company. In the UK we'd typically call these people "temps" or "consultancy staff" depending on the source.

nicoburns 4y ago
> In the US, it seems like a "contractor" frequently works for an outsourcing company. In the UK we'd typically call these people "temps" or "consultancy staff" depending on the source. I think contractor is still used in that case in the UK sometimes too. The obvious example being construction firms.
lupire 4y ago
It's Temp/Vendor/Contractor lumped together as "people who work here but allegedly aren't legally employees of thia company, so we can deceive about all the great benefits "all" our "employees" get.
WastingMyTime89 4y ago
Doesn’t consultancy staff also cover people working for an actual consulting company? I have worked on long contract - one or two years - for clients in the past helping them structure and put in place large projects and while I was technically there full time it was pretty clear that this was temporary, I was filling a punctual need the business wouldn’t have after and there was a somewhat clear idea of when we would part. These relations are not necessary a way to pay less or not give benefits. I was actually paid a lot better than if I had been working there.

thaumasiotes 4y ago

I was specifically referring to security guards structured as 1099 contractors. They do not have to be employees.

EdwardDiego 4y ago
I'd be very surprised if security firms weren't classifying employees as contractors for the firm's financial gain.
- lupire 4y ago
  *misclassifying.
WastingMyTime89 4y ago
Are security guards employed as 1099 common? I was under the impression that most companies were just outsourcing and guards were actually full time employees of companies specialising in security in the same way most cleaning staff works for a cleaning company.