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> Well regulated means well armed How do you figure this? Is there judicial precedent for this particular interpretation?

by glial 4y ago

himinlomax 4y ago
There seems to be some (literary, rather than judicial) precedent for that meaning of the expression, but on the other hand I haven't seen conclusive arguments as to why they would have chosen that particular turn of phrase to say something other than "governed by rules." Consider another part of the US Constitution, the Commerce clause: "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;" In this case "Regulate" is clearly used to mean the action of setting rules. It's a bit weird that they would use that word again in a legal context to mean something non-legal.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  Even if it were taken to mean regulate, in terms of rule setting, you still have to deal with the fact that the right is assigned to "the people", and not the state militias. The unamended Constitution and the Bill of Rights use the phrase “right of the people” two other times, in the First Amendment’s Assembly-and-Petition Clause and in the Fourth Amendment’s Search-and-Seizure Clause. These instances unambiguously refer to individual rights, not “collective” rights, or rights that may be exercised only through participation in some corporate body. As the SCOTUS found in Heller, The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.
NWoodsman 4y ago
Historically military slang referred to the “regulars” which was the way to say “they guys you call upon to get dirty” and would mean different things depending on the army… a British regular would be a redcoat conscript, a US regular would be a militia volunteer from one of the colonies. Guns were not issued to citizens, but were owned personally. It makes sense that the resulting law would read “we want the ability to have a militia and have those guys bring along their guns”. Especially because there was no standing army at the time, it was envisioned that the US Army was simply a way to refer to a conglomeration of state militias, not an organized Army.
amadeuspagel 4y ago
See The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment[1]. [1]: https://www.constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.htm https://www.constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.ht...

> Well regulated means well armed How do you figure this? Is there judicial precedent for this particular interpretation?

by glial 4y ago

> Well regulated means well armed How do you figure this? Is there judicial precedent for this particular interpretation?

himinlomax 4y ago

There seems to be some (literary, rather than judicial) precedent for that meaning of the expression, but on the other hand I haven't seen conclusive arguments as to why they would have chosen that particular turn of phrase to say something other than "governed by rules." Consider another part of the US Constitution, the Commerce clause: "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;" In this case "Regulate" is clearly used to mean the action of setting rules. It's a bit weird that they would use that word again in a legal context to mean something non-legal.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
Even if it were taken to mean regulate, in terms of rule setting, you still have to deal with the fact that the right is assigned to "the people", and not the state militias. The unamended Constitution and the Bill of Rights use the phrase “right of the people” two other times, in the First Amendment’s Assembly-and-Petition Clause and in the Fourth Amendment’s Search-and-Seizure Clause. These instances unambiguously refer to individual rights, not “collective” rights, or rights that may be exercised only through participation in some corporate body. As the SCOTUS found in Heller, The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.

NWoodsman 4y ago

Historically military slang referred to the “regulars” which was the way to say “they guys you call upon to get dirty” and would mean different things depending on the army… a British regular would be a redcoat conscript, a US regular would be a militia volunteer from one of the colonies. Guns were not issued to citizens, but were owned personally. It makes sense that the resulting law would read “we want the ability to have a militia and have those guys bring along their guns”. Especially because there was no standing army at the time, it was envisioned that the US Army was simply a way to refer to a conglomeration of state militias, not an organized Army.

amadeuspagel 4y ago

See The meaning of the phrase "well-regulated" in the 2nd amendment[1]. [1]: https://www.constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.htm https://www.constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.ht...