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> I won't be riding in a fully autonomous self-driving car in the next 10 years. Or maybe 20 years. But 50 years out? 100? 200? 1000? I mean, yeah, it's absolu

> I won't be riding in a fully autonomous self-driving car in the next 10 years. Or maybe 20 years. But 50 years out? 100? 200? 1000? I mean, yeah, it's absolutely going to happen. If it's not going to happen without major advances in technology, does it make sense for companies to be dumping billions of dollars into it today? Does it make since to continue endangering the public by beta testing these failed systems on our streets? Sure, in 100 years it'll happen, but it is starting to look like we can save a lot of money, suffering, and energy by admitting where our current limitations are and backing off until technology advances a bit. The only "benefit" I see in continuing now is that by the time cars that actually drive themselves are viable outside of limited/perfect conditions there will already have been plenty of lawsuits against car makers for accidents, deaths, hacks, and privacy issues. I'm not sure how well much of the laws and verdicts will fit with the systems we end up with in 100 years though or that it's ideal to constrain that future tech with the legal/regulatory fallout of today's failures.

garaetjjte 4y ago
You won't get major advances in technology without dumping billions into it.
- autoexec 4y ago
  How much of the current sensor technology being used was created by self-driving car companies? AI and computer vision systems are already being researched/developed in other industries, what else are these companies producing that hasn't been done before or isn't being done elsewhere?
  - profile53 4y ago
    Don’t quote me but I’m pretty sure the LIDAR sensor for most phone cameras exists entirely because of self driving cars. They drove the miniaturization of LIDAR sensors and the development of solid state LIDAR.
mindcrime 4y ago
If it's not going to happen without major advances in technology, does it make sense for companies to be dumping billions of dollars into it today? Good question. But it's up to those companies to decide. It's not my money, so I'm not going to try to tell them what to do. Does it make since to continue endangering the public by beta testing these failed systems on our streets? That's also a good question. At the very least, it needs to be made abundantly clear to anyone testing a self-driving car that somebody at the company will be held personally liable, up to and including possibly serving jail time, with regards to any damage / deaths caused by accidents.

garaetjjte 4y ago

You won't get major advances in technology without dumping billions into it.

autoexec 4y ago
How much of the current sensor technology being used was created by self-driving car companies? AI and computer vision systems are already being researched/developed in other industries, what else are these companies producing that hasn't been done before or isn't being done elsewhere?
- profile53 4y ago
  Don’t quote me but I’m pretty sure the LIDAR sensor for most phone cameras exists entirely because of self driving cars. They drove the miniaturization of LIDAR sensors and the development of solid state LIDAR.

mindcrime 4y ago

If it's not going to happen without major advances in technology, does it make sense for companies to be dumping billions of dollars into it today? Good question. But it's up to those companies to decide. It's not my money, so I'm not going to try to tell them what to do. Does it make since to continue endangering the public by beta testing these failed systems on our streets? That's also a good question. At the very least, it needs to be made abundantly clear to anyone testing a self-driving car that somebody at the company will be held personally liable, up to and including possibly serving jail time, with regards to any damage / deaths caused by accidents.