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It’s not banned in China.
by trasz 4y ago
It’s not banned in China.
- skissane 4y agoLast time I went to mainland China, I could only access google.com using a VPN. How is that not "banned"?
- trasz 4y agoUsing your analogy, US blocking a Swiss child porn site would be “banning EU businesses”. Google isn’t banned in China, it just isn’t operating there, because it would need to obey the law.
- skissane 4y agoSo, if the US says that foreign communications equipment firms who want to sell into the US have to demonstrate they are not subservient to any non-democratic government-a standard Huawei and ZTE cannot meet-then Huawei and ZTE are not (by your logic) being “banned” either, they are merely unwilling or unable to comply with US law and government policy.
- trasz 4y agoExcept Huawei and ZTE aren’t any more “subservient” than non-Chinese companies. That, btw, is another aspect of this problem - American companies like Cisco have been shown to plant backdoors, while the “subservient” Huawei hadn’t.
- skissane 4y ago> Except Huawei and ZTE aren’t any more “subservient” than non-Chinese companies. That’s not true though. American companies will, on a regular basis, publicly criticise proposed and actual US government policies, and fund third party groups (lobby groups, think-tanks, etc) which do the same. Tell me, how often do Huawei and ZTE publicly criticise proposed and actual Chinese government policies? How much money do they give to groups which publicly criticise the Chinese government? Their failure to do those things is a very real way in which they demonstrate government subservience but Western companies do not.
- trasz 4y agoAmerican companies can criticize the government, because it doesn’t matter - in the end they will do whatever they are told, legal or not. Tell me, why are there backdoors in American telco equipment, but not in Chinese? Are those manufacturers planting them _against_ their government will? :-)
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- pshirshov 4y agoClown
- pshirshov 4y agoRegarding backdoors. I've experienced a MITM attack performed by Huawei 5G CPE. In domestic environment. Other people report that too: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/218425/router-tries-to-manipulate-https-connections https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/218425/router-t... Can you commie-explain that?
- trasz 4y agoIt’s already explained in your link. Also this is not infrastructure, which is what we’re talking about.
- pshirshov 4y agoNope, it's not explained there: 1) These routers do not provide any kind of content filtering features 2) My particular terminal was in bridge mode 3) It's happening rarely on random websites So, if they MITM random SSL sessions with home equipment I can imagine what they do with business infrastructure.
- skissane 4y ago> American companies can criticize the government, because it doesn’t matter If criticism really doesn’t matter, why does the Chinese government show so little tolerance for it? Are they thin-skinned? And, how do you know there are no backdoors in Chinese telco equipment? Even if none have been publicised, that doesn’t mean none exist.