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Basecamp Next
- desireco42 15y ago+1 for Trello, I am a big fan
- sunfmin 15y agoIn early 2012, 37signals will introduce Basecamp Next , And you'll see why 2012 won't be like "2012"
- artursapek 15y agoHardly it
- ryanmarsh 15y agoLMAO
- dextorious 15y agoThey found out that Rails doesn't scale, and are redoing everything in hand-coded, no framework PHP. (Jokes aren't only for Reddit, ya know)
- zzzeek 15y agojudging by your comment and mine it would appear downmods are always for jokes, around here...
- zzzeek 15y agoBut will the rewrite be in node.js ?
- jorangreef 15y agoSVN has been quiet the past few months.
- GBKS 15y agoSo great to see this. I'm a fan of their products, but they have really started to feel a bit outdated (mobile support, real-time, Dropbox integration). I hope they keep the core of building great communication tools without too much shenanigans, and reinterpret them for today's online environment.
- taylorbuley 15y ago37signals, when will you learn? You need to put up a LaunchRock lander, tell us little to no information about what you're doing and make us think you hate users enough to never let anybody in.
- timecircuits 15y agoThat's a rather rude signup form. Put in your email address -- if you're lucky or you're important, you get a "chance" at a beta invite.
- lobo_tuerto 15y agoAnd what exactly is wrong with that? It's just a game of enticing. Seems like different people will get a different read, for me it's a chance to participate on an exciting new product from well known developers and innovators. If I don't get in the first invites what's the problem? I'll eventually make it in just a bit later.
- antidaily 15y agoCome on. Standard practice for beta invites these days.
- maximusprime 15y agoIt's 37signals. If you haven't heard of them before, you're incredibly lucky to be even allowed to view the webpage of the hipster gods. Let alone get a beta invite.
- eCa 15y agoThey introduced the word "maybe": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZAL64E0DI#t=30m http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZAL64E0DI#t=30m
- tmcw 15y agoThey're up to... building a new Basecamp. Less interesting than building a new Segway or whatnot - that could be useful information for the title.
- tvon 15y agoBut there would be less clicky-clicky if the useful information as actually in the headline.
- ggwicz 15y agoBasecamp could theoretically be less interesting than a Segway. But a Segway won't help me run a freelance biz with a guy 4,500 miles away. Utility is far more valuable in many ways than entertainment. Can't wait for the new updates
- tzury 15y agoWith Trello[1] and ASANA[2] out there for free, they have no chance but announce upcoming facelift / upgrade -- so existing customers will stay around, and perhaps, when releasing, attracting new users as well. 1. http://trello.com http://trello.com 2. http://asana.com http://asana.com
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- benatkin 15y agoActually they would do fine if they didn't. They have other products and a very robust business model. This isn't a move of desperation. They would lose some users but still continue to attract new users.
- atomical 15y agoI didn't find Trello very useful or easy to use. It's a new way to do things but probably not the ideal way to do them.
- ErrantX 15y agoTrue. At this very moment using Trello has made one ongoing project very hard to manage.
- nate 15y agoI'm pretty sure their chances are just fine. :) They are still making hires which I'm pretty sure they wouldn't do if they saw their company declining. Also trello and asana attract very different markets of customers I'm sure compared to 37signals core demographic. Take a look at the featured customer videos at basecamphq.com. It's wedding planners, brand design, a self help firm. Not software developers who seem to be the folks gravitating to trello and asana.
- wavephorm 15y agoIf my business is threatened by several competitors one of the things I might do is hire new people to work on new initiatives.
- portentint 15y agoThey're going to add secondary mailing addresses!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- dan_orange 15y agoa todo-app, a revolutionary mobile chat, a breakthrough internet collaboration device. a todo-app, a mobile chat, a internet collaboration device. are you getting it?
- manuzi 15y agoStrikingly similar logo concept to Uber... http://blog.uber.com/2011/12/05/take-ubers-new-logo-for-a-spin/ http://blog.uber.com/2011/12/05/take-ubers-new-logo-for-a-sp... Maybe 37signals are back to client-design work... ;)
- michaeldhopkins 15y agoI really wish it was two-way Highrise contacts integration with Google Apps.
- DrJokepu 15y agoI'm sure it's just a coincidence but the image on that site closely resembles the the temporary facade of the Covent Garden (London) Apple Store while it was still under construction: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GTXylOUSEM0/TFNV8AbQfQI/AAAAAAAADM0/JzSpdOJ0nLQ/s1600/Apple-store-covent-garden-london.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GTXylOUSEM0/TFNV8AbQfQI/AAAAAAAADM...
- flyosity 15y agoUnveiling things by having a velvet curtain or cloth on top (and then lifting it up!) has been done for decades, perhaps centuries. It's not unique to Apple or to 37signals, it's a common occurrence that they were expressing digitally.
- DrJokepu 15y agoI'm not arguing with any of that, however these two works share a lot more than just the act of "unveiling", in particular they both reveal a small but identifiable part of a logo. In both cases there's no physical product to unveil (one is a retail store that is too big to be unveiled and the other is a service with no real physical manifestation) so the graphical representation of the product is abstracted away to a logo which is being unveiled. Only showing a small (but identifiable) part of the logo creates a sense of motion, it tells a story. It communicates that there's something new and exciting going to happen very soon in relation to this well known logo. In my opinion this is a creative idea that indeed builds upon the old tradition of unveiling things but it also goes way beyond it.
- agentgt 15y agoYou know what we use for project management... our bug tracking system. It seems like some of the most influential people in our industry (Spolesky and dhh) have to write software and make books on "their" philosophy of getting shit done. How about changing the topic for once. You know like solving the power crisis or something.
- dasil003 15y agoThey're in the pickaxe business so what else would they talk about except mining? If you're looking for a different kind of luminary look elsewhere.
- agentgt 15y agoSo google should have stayed with just search? Come on... I would love to have DHH's clout. He could start a whole bunch of new products/ideas and easily get thousands of people to signup. Or is that a 37signals philosophy: "stick with what you know and don't try anything new"?
- rmgraham 15y agoThat's not even apples to oranges, that's apples to orange groves.
- danielhodgins 15y agoIt's easier and smarter to be in the pickaxe business. All the 'miners' will spread the word online in the form of inbound links, and for free! This type of marketing and propegation is much more profitable than having a sales department. Kudos to 37Signals for being very smart marketers in addition to being talented designers and developers!
- bearwithclaws 15y agoIs it just me or the copywriting is incredibly similar to Apple's when they introduced iPhone 4[1]: "This changes everything. Again" 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1edQuxclUs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1edQuxclUs
- antirez 15y agoI thought exactly the same while reading that text. It is definitely Appleish marketing.
- Void_ 15y agoExcept 37signals didn't change nothing. The only thing about Basecamp is that it's so easy to use. What Apple does is innovation. 37signals just makes things foolproof.
- raganwald 15y ago* only thing about Basecamp is that it's so easy to use.* Goddamn, if I could say that about the apps I write, I could retire happy. Being “easy to use” is an amazing accomplishment for anything, especially project management.
- Void_ 15y agoSure it is, but calling that "reinventing" is unfair to people who actually do something innovative.
- hasanove 15y agoIt reminded me another Apple ad, though surely it is not a copy On January 24th, Apple Computer will introduce Macintosh. And you'll see why 1984 won't be like "1984"
- dirtyaura 15y agoYeah, I thought that it was an ironic homage to the Apple way of launching.
- davcro 15y agoI am surprised, I thought 37s was against rewrites.
- Tyrannosaurs 15y agoFrom casual observation they have a few strong opinions which seem to be based on their experiences and requirements up to that point but which change when their requirements change. I've no issue with that - as your knowledge changes your opinions should be open to change. You could knock them for having strident opinions they later modify but I'd rather be grateful that they are willing to share and learn publicly as that way everyone has the chance to learn with them.
- davcro 15y agoI agree. I'm a 37s fanboy. Web tech has made a quantum leap in the last year. The difference between rails 3.1 and rails 2.8 is huge. Not to mention html5, css3 and new javascript libraries such as backbone-js. These are game changers. Adapting them means a rewrite.
- k33l0r 15y agoThere's no Rails 2.8, I guess you meant Rails 2.3... There are three major versions of Rails that are still maintained: 2.3.n, 3.0.y, and 3.1.x http://rubygems.org/gems/rails/versions http://rubygems.org/gems/rails/versions
- randomdata 15y agoIt is not necessarily a rewrite. It may be a fork of the existing product. All the page really hints at is some dramatic changes to the interface.
- davcro 15y agoDHH's Twitter suggests otherwise. He talks about the joy of starting from scratch developing with rails/master. Can't link to it because I'm on a phone.
- chrislomax 15y agoIt seriously makes me wonder how these guys have survived so long without making any changes. It's the same today as when I had an account 6 years ago. It's basic and functional. Game changer my arse, it's about time they changed it!
- chrislomax 15y agoAnd whoever down votes me I want a reason why you think 37 signals is so fantastic when they have essentially changed nothing in 6 years.
- edash 15y agoThe fact that a product built six years ago is still relevant and effective is testament to just how fantastic their original decisions were.
- bergie 15y agoAlso, the fact that BaseCamp has quite decent APIs has enabled a "cottage industry" of third-party clients and add-ons to evolve. This has probably made the product a lot more durable: http://basecamphq.com/extras?cohort=Landing%20Headlines%20/%20together,No%20CC%20Upfront4%20/%20No-CC&utm_custom[Landing_Headlines]=together&utm_custom[No_CC%20Upfront4]=No-CC http://basecamphq.com/extras?cohort=Landing%20Headlines%20/%...
- bigohms 15y agoTry searching for something
- beaumartinez 15y ago> I want a reason why you think 37 signals is so fantastic when they have essentially changed nothing in 6 years. Maybe they just didn't need to change anything? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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- wazzupflow 15y agoMy guess is it's going to be an HTML5, realtime, mobile-focused thingy. Also probably backed by their mobile/html5/javascript framework "Cinco".
- OoTheNigerian 15y agoI suspect that the 'new basecamp' will be a seamless integration of Basecamp, Campfire and Highrise with one simple API where people can extend it to whatever level they wish. So Basecamp 2.0 will be a project management platform. Maybe an SAP and Salesforce of Small Businesses? Adding to the above, I also assume they would be the first major app that would be fully acessible via the browser. Maybe 'kill' the need for the app store? I look forward to what it would be.
- bergie 15y agoSAP and Salesforce of Small Businesses We did something like that in mid-2000s as an Open Source project (http://openpsa2.org/ http://openpsa2.org/). Never really caught fire with us, though. Business apps are a difficult area.
- OoTheNigerian 15y agoBusiness apps are a difficult area Open Source and Free do not work for serious businesses. For open source, you want someone responsible. Except you have a strong re-seller and support program, I doubt it will work. Free is an entirely different issue. A business will not want to be 'Gowallad'. i.e, Sell suddenly and say have your data and thanks for your time. We are shutting down next month. See thread discussing this http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3318458 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3318458 When you create a company i.e charge money, businesses know you are serious and have someone to complain to. Then you have a higher chance of gaining traction.
- bergie 15y agoOpen Source and Free do not work for serious businesses. That is probably a too extreme take on this as well. Open Source is a great "insurance policy" for companies, but not enough on its own. You also want a company dedicated to supporting and developing the software that your company uses so that you can have a proper contractual relationship into it. For example, MySQL AB was running quite a good business supporting the freely licensed database for companies using it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL_AB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MySQL_AB
- s04p 15y agoTheir real 'competition' is iOS and native platforms. They never made it big on these platforms, and they loose traction because of that. They must rethink their approach for tablet and mobile, and please...not in HTML5.
- carson_ 15y agoRebuttal: http://i.imgur.com/pRUqr.png http://i.imgur.com/pRUqr.png
- fredoliveira 15y agoI think you created a new account in the wrong site. Thanks for your great contribution to this thread, but, no thanks.
- baseh 15y agohahaha
- callmevlad 15y agoThis partly explains the lack of updates to PrototypeJS (last version shipped over a year ago). My hunch is that if they are building something from scratch, they have abandoned Prototype entirely in favor of jQuery.
- fredoliveira 15y agoBasecamp isn't what explains the lack of updates to PrototypeJS. jQuery itself is, however. It is (MUCH) faster, got traction quicker, has a larger community and is definitely more flexible. Rails moved from Prototype for good with version 3, which was released a little over a year ago - it would make no sense for Basecamp to stick with prototype.