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The sad part is it may very well be true, at least I don't know. The issue is, if you put in effort to make valuable contributions, and your manager doesn't car

The sad part is it may very well be true, at least I don't know. The issue is, if you put in effort to make valuable contributions, and your manager doesn't care at all about them, and harp on the fact that your metrics aren't met so you'll get 0 RSU, 1% Bonus, and 2% hike, well then things like this will happen. Which is not wrong, but is eternally sad. The smart people which solved problems and made Meta/Amazon/MS/Apple such giants, that kind of generation might never reach these companies due to these things. I maybe wrong, but who knows. Blind = TC or GTFO :D Kids these days.

belval 4y ago
Can't speak about Meta, but my team at AWS does incentivize more complex longer-term projects. Improving metrics and getting short-term wins is pretty good if you want to get the L4 (entry) to L5 promotion, but you will most likely not make senior SDE without having some more complex projects that shows you know how to collaborate with other teams and juggle requirements. That person would make L5 at AWS easily, but L6 will be harder without a somewhat lenient manager/reviewer.
strulovich 4y ago
You’re correct, but there’s a less cynical look at it. If you want to work on long term stuff, and have no metrics or data to show for it - then you need to get your manager (and team, and others) on board with it. If you can’t convince people around you this is important, then the company can’t figure out how to differentiate you from someone doing useless long term work. This is what a lot of people call politics (especially if they’re not succeeding in it), but for me it’s just part of the system barring any better alternatives that will allow organizing a big company.
- grocer-eyewear 4y ago
  That is a very interesting take, I haven't thought about things from that perspective. Thank you very much, for such a POV.

belval 4y ago

Can't speak about Meta, but my team at AWS does incentivize more complex longer-term projects. Improving metrics and getting short-term wins is pretty good if you want to get the L4 (entry) to L5 promotion, but you will most likely not make senior SDE without having some more complex projects that shows you know how to collaborate with other teams and juggle requirements. That person would make L5 at AWS easily, but L6 will be harder without a somewhat lenient manager/reviewer.

strulovich 4y ago

You’re correct, but there’s a less cynical look at it. If you want to work on long term stuff, and have no metrics or data to show for it - then you need to get your manager (and team, and others) on board with it. If you can’t convince people around you this is important, then the company can’t figure out how to differentiate you from someone doing useless long term work. This is what a lot of people call politics (especially if they’re not succeeding in it), but for me it’s just part of the system barring any better alternatives that will allow organizing a big company.

grocer-eyewear 4y ago
That is a very interesting take, I haven't thought about things from that perspective. Thank you very much, for such a POV.