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I know what they mean and I love p5 but... Coding is accessible to artists designers and educators! The idea that they can't is a false (destructive) narrati

by pkdpic 4y ago

I know what they mean and I love p5 but... Coding *is* accessible to artists designers and educators! The idea that they can't is a false (destructive) narrative. Especially given that those three groups in particular have an astronomically difficult time establishing a reliable adult income in their field.

bibanez 4y ago
Yes, but having an easy and non-destructive environment to connect brain to code is good. We used Processing (predecessor to p5js) to learn coding at school, and it's really good for drawing programatically
- TheRealPomax 4y ago
  Processing is not really the "predecessor", it's still maintained and actively being developed. P5.js just exists in parallel and was a student-imagining of "what if Processing, but designed for the web from the get-go" that caught on and got folded into the official Processing offering =)
michaericalribo 4y ago
I’ve always thought the “better accessibility” relates to getting meaningful outputs from your coding. There’s typically a complex set of arcane incantations necessary to get visuals, much less interactive ones…Processing really elevates an API for visual/interactive applications of coding, so things work out of the box.
racl101 4y ago
I've heard people say coding is the "modern day construction job". Anyone can do it.
- rchaud 4y ago
  Tell that to the junior devs that just paid $10k to attend a React bootcamp, and are wondering why they can't find work.
rchaud 4y ago
So is pretty much anything regular people struggle to budget time and money for, such as exercise. Learning how to code on your own is an enormous waste of one's time, assuming you are an adult and need to use that time to support yourself. I remember my Treehouse HTML/CSS course in 2014. It took me months to complete it while working full-time, and the end result was a completely static website that looked like it was from 1997. It was incredibly discouraging. I stuck with it because I had the interest, and later moved on to more fun things like interaction design. Most people however will stop and move on, because it's hard to see the bigger picture if you have to learn every building block.
mcphage 4y ago
> Coding is accessible to artists designers and educators I don't think that "accessible" is the same as "possible". Yes, it's possible for artists, designers, and educators to learn programming in any environment. But "possible" is boolean—like Turing complete. "Accessible" is a more of gradient—are the kinds of things that you want to to do easy or hard? Is it a good environment for learning and exploration? Etc.
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I know what they mean and I love p5 but... Coding *is* accessible to artists designers and educators! The idea that they can't is a false (destructive) narrati

by pkdpic 4y ago

bibanez 4y ago

Yes, but having an easy and non-destructive environment to connect brain to code is good. We used Processing (predecessor to p5js) to learn coding at school, and it's really good for drawing programatically

TheRealPomax 4y ago
Processing is not really the "predecessor", it's still maintained and actively being developed. P5.js just exists in parallel and was a student-imagining of "what if Processing, but designed for the web from the get-go" that caught on and got folded into the official Processing offering =)

michaericalribo 4y ago

I’ve always thought the “better accessibility” relates to getting meaningful outputs from your coding. There’s typically a complex set of arcane incantations necessary to get visuals, much less interactive ones…Processing really elevates an API for visual/interactive applications of coding, so things work out of the box.

racl101 4y ago

I've heard people say coding is the "modern day construction job". Anyone can do it.

rchaud 4y ago
Tell that to the junior devs that just paid $10k to attend a React bootcamp, and are wondering why they can't find work.

rchaud 4y ago

So is pretty much anything regular people struggle to budget time and money for, such as exercise. Learning how to code on your own is an enormous waste of one's time, assuming you are an adult and need to use that time to support yourself. I remember my Treehouse HTML/CSS course in 2014. It took me months to complete it while working full-time, and the end result was a completely static website that looked like it was from 1997. It was incredibly discouraging. I stuck with it because I had the interest, and later moved on to more fun things like interaction design. Most people however will stop and move on, because it's hard to see the bigger picture if you have to learn every building block.

mcphage 4y ago

> Coding is accessible to artists designers and educators I don't think that "accessible" is the same as "possible". Yes, it's possible for artists, designers, and educators to learn programming in any environment. But "possible" is boolean—like Turing complete. "Accessible" is a more of gradient—are the kinds of things that you want to to do easy or hard? Is it a good environment for learning and exploration? Etc.

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