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>- unless you upset someone about a trendy topic like gender. I am very active in the online trans sphere and let me tell you, they don't care about that eithe

>- unless you upset someone about a trendy topic like gender. I am very active in the online trans sphere and let me tell you, they don't care about that either. The situation is not that any topic has a focus, the online moderation of sites of this size is simply flawed. Only clear hate speech is grounds for banning and muting. And even then, when I say clear, it's about keywords that trigger algorithms.

NotYourLawyer 4y ago
But “kill yourself” isn’t a keyword?
- miroljub 4y ago
  - martin_a 4y ago
    In Germany we have a saying "Steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein", which seems to be translated to "Little strokes fell big oaks". Hear it often enough, without any consequences for the people telling you that, and it will hurt you.
- bombcar 4y ago
  I suspect the majority of the "AI" for these moderation systems is "has this been reported by X number or Y% percentage of post viewers? then ban".
- Karawebnetwork 4y ago
  In my experience, the same string can result in different moderation based on unknown factors. For example, I used to report the trans slur of the "t" word and Facebook would remove the content. Now, when I report it, the comment stays posted. Maybe it has something to do with the age of the post or the number of positive reactions to it. Maybe I reported too much and the false positives resulted in my account being banned from reporting comments. Similar behaviors on other platforms.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > For example, I used to report the trans slur of the "t" word and Facebook would remove the content. Now, when I report it, the comment stays posted. Isn't that also a slang term for a transmission? An automated rule for that that would probably result in far too many false positives: merriam-webster.com has the transmission sense as the first meaning, and has collected many very recent usages from auto magazines: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tranny https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tranny.
    - 83 4y ago
      I couldn't actually think of what the 't' word was until you said transmission - that's the context where I hear it FAR more often.
    - Karawebnetwork 4y ago
      To be clear, I reported it under photos of people who are trans while it was used as a slur in comments that were derogatory. Usually, this would result in the comment being deleted. This is only an example to show there is no conspiration about moderation of gender related topics. You get the same issues with other slurs and other topics.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  Well, if "Please dont kill yourself" triggered the "kill yourself" algorithm, that might be a problem too.
  - Cthulhu_ 4y ago
    An automated moderation system should be smart enough to detect sympathy. And if it's in doubt, it should leave it to a person - a native speaker of the given language, because a lot of these systems are trained on English and western language and sentiments.
    - bmacho 4y ago
      "Please don't kill yourself" can mean "kill yourself" depending of the original post and poster.
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      I know that my comment is a trivial observation, but an automated moderation system capable of detecting sympathy sounds like science fiction. Frankly it seems like humans struggle at it.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > An automated moderation system should be smart enough to detect sympathy. That sounds like a super hard natural language understanding task. > And if it's in doubt, it should leave it to a person - a native speaker of the given language, because a lot of these systems are trained on English and western language and sentiments. That costs lots of money that could be going to the shareholders or executive compensation instead.
      - anticensor 4y ago
        What if shareholders themselves are tasked to do that stuff?
- criley2 4y ago
  KYS has traditionally been a one way ticket to a twitter ban for sure. With the impending Musk acquisition, perhaps the staff have lost their zeal and are preparing for more "free speech", as violent language and calls to violence online is often labeled.
  - NotYourLawyer 4y ago
    Calls to violence aren’t free speech under any reasonable definition. At the same time, “violent language” feels like a contradiction in terms.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  yeah it is but "k1ll your$self" or whatever got through for a while, then it was "unalive", then "un@1ive" or sm when that got filtered, i've even seen "commit queen elizabeth". trying to filter automatically based on message is a retarded strategy.

NotYourLawyer 4y ago

But “kill yourself” isn’t a keyword?

miroljub 4y ago
- martin_a 4y ago
  In Germany we have a saying "Steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein", which seems to be translated to "Little strokes fell big oaks". Hear it often enough, without any consequences for the people telling you that, and it will hurt you.
bombcar 4y ago
I suspect the majority of the "AI" for these moderation systems is "has this been reported by X number or Y% percentage of post viewers? then ban".
Karawebnetwork 4y ago
In my experience, the same string can result in different moderation based on unknown factors. For example, I used to report the trans slur of the "t" word and Facebook would remove the content. Now, when I report it, the comment stays posted. Maybe it has something to do with the age of the post or the number of positive reactions to it. Maybe I reported too much and the false positives resulted in my account being banned from reporting comments. Similar behaviors on other platforms.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > For example, I used to report the trans slur of the "t" word and Facebook would remove the content. Now, when I report it, the comment stays posted. Isn't that also a slang term for a transmission? An automated rule for that that would probably result in far too many false positives: merriam-webster.com has the transmission sense as the first meaning, and has collected many very recent usages from auto magazines: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tranny https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tranny.
  - 83 4y ago
    I couldn't actually think of what the 't' word was until you said transmission - that's the context where I hear it FAR more often.
  - Karawebnetwork 4y ago
    To be clear, I reported it under photos of people who are trans while it was used as a slur in comments that were derogatory. Usually, this would result in the comment being deleted. This is only an example to show there is no conspiration about moderation of gender related topics. You get the same issues with other slurs and other topics.
hotpotamus 4y ago
Well, if "Please dont kill yourself" triggered the "kill yourself" algorithm, that might be a problem too.
- Cthulhu_ 4y ago
  An automated moderation system should be smart enough to detect sympathy. And if it's in doubt, it should leave it to a person - a native speaker of the given language, because a lot of these systems are trained on English and western language and sentiments.
  - bmacho 4y ago
    "Please don't kill yourself" can mean "kill yourself" depending of the original post and poster.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    I know that my comment is a trivial observation, but an automated moderation system capable of detecting sympathy sounds like science fiction. Frankly it seems like humans struggle at it.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > An automated moderation system should be smart enough to detect sympathy. That sounds like a super hard natural language understanding task. > And if it's in doubt, it should leave it to a person - a native speaker of the given language, because a lot of these systems are trained on English and western language and sentiments. That costs lots of money that could be going to the shareholders or executive compensation instead.
    - anticensor 4y ago
      What if shareholders themselves are tasked to do that stuff?
criley2 4y ago
KYS has traditionally been a one way ticket to a twitter ban for sure. With the impending Musk acquisition, perhaps the staff have lost their zeal and are preparing for more "free speech", as violent language and calls to violence online is often labeled.
- NotYourLawyer 4y ago
  Calls to violence aren’t free speech under any reasonable definition. At the same time, “violent language” feels like a contradiction in terms.
collegeburner 4y ago
yeah it is but "k1ll your$self" or whatever got through for a while, then it was "unalive", then "un@1ive" or sm when that got filtered, i've even seen "commit queen elizabeth". trying to filter automatically based on message is a retarded strategy.