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U.S. FCC set to ban all U.S. sales of Huawei and ZTE equipment
- alvis 4y agoThis is a very unfortunate and dangerous development in the ongoing battle between U.S. and China. Maybe banning these companies from receiving new equipment licenses will help keep the U.S. safe from cyber-attacks. But it also give another excuse for the CCP to isolate itself from the world's platform and acts as a hostile country like North Korea.
- Group_B 4y agoWhat’s the problem with US banning Chinese tech when China has been doing the same to the US for decades?
- LatteLazy 4y agoIt lets US companies be lazy. Then those companies cannot compete globally. Then the US ends up with the shittier products on the market because it's that or nothing. This is why the US generally tries to engage in free trade: It's better in the long term. The fact the same isn't happening here will just mean US citizens don't get better, faster, cheaper mobile networks. Everyone else will. And that will stifle other areas of the US economy too. If China wants to self harm for political reasons, that's their loss. Don't copy them.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoThere is plenty of competition from Korea, Japan, Europe, etc. We don't need to have network and telecom equipment from our military enemies at the core of our communications infrastructure.
- LatteLazy 4y agoThat depends. For 5G infra? There really isn't much competition. The three makers are Huawei, Cisco and Ericsson. And Huawei is cheaper and better than the others. So if you remove them you have a duopoly. And you have the exact situation I described above: the US get's crapy, more expensive kit and the rest of the world takes a leap forwards...
- voxic11 4y agoNokia and Qualcomm make 5g equipment as well don't they? Or are you saying they aren't competitive?
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- hulitu 4y ago> This is why the US generally tries to engage in free trade: It's better in the long term. The US generally engages in free trade only when it's better for US in the long term.
- LatteLazy 4y agoI think it's a bit more complex than that: free trade is almost always better for the US overall. Sometimes the US does not engage in it for political reasons (including corruption which is what this seems to be). But yes, self interest is ultimately the motivating factor unless a narrow group can hijack that and hard US interests for (for instance) corporate interests...
- trasz 4y agoCan you provide some examples of China banning American tech?
- pshirshov 4y agoWell, Google?
- trasz 4y agoIt’s not banned in China.
- skissane 4y agoLast time I went to mainland China, I could only access google.com using a VPN. How is that not "banned"?
- trasz 4y agoUsing your analogy, US blocking a Swiss child porn site would be “banning EU businesses”. Google isn’t banned in China, it just isn’t operating there, because it would need to obey the law.
- skissane 4y agoSo, if the US says that foreign communications equipment firms who want to sell into the US have to demonstrate they are not subservient to any non-democratic government-a standard Huawei and ZTE cannot meet-then Huawei and ZTE are not (by your logic) being “banned” either, they are merely unwilling or unable to comply with US law and government policy.
- trasz 4y agoExcept Huawei and ZTE aren’t any more “subservient” than non-Chinese companies. That, btw, is another aspect of this problem - American companies like Cisco have been shown to plant backdoors, while the “subservient” Huawei hadn’t.
- abudabi123 4y agoThe China's Communist Party and Northern Korea have grown stronger and stronger over the last fifty years if you compare that to the USAF's cutting edge at technology and the manning.
- _chu1 4y agoTo be fair, all Huawei and ZTE "equipment" I've ever seen has been total garbage, and as much as I hate the spying by our own government in America, the Chinese literally run City 17
- colechristensen 4y agoMy Huawei built google nexus back in the day was as good of quality and experience as any other phone. That doesn’t take away from the valid reasons to ban their equipment, but in my one experience it wasn’t total garbage.
- _chu1 4y agoThat wasn't one of the best Nexuses.
- beAbU 4y agoHuawei is responsible for a lot of the global cellular infrastructure. It's basically Nokia and Huawei as the two big players (in my Country at least) I won't go as far as calling their products garbage. Their mobile phones were also fantastic. At the flagship level for a while their phones were better than Samsung imo. Not sure how they compare anymore since they de-googled. I'm to firmly latched to that teat not let go just yet.
- _chu1 4y agoI don't trust Chinese phones, sorry.
- itsoktocry 4y agoBut you trust "US" phones (made in China or elsewhere), where the data you store on them could actually be used against you?
- _chu1 4y agoI trust a Pixel 5a with GrapheneOS where everything on my phone is encrypted, and in the future I won't even have any personal information on my phone. Don't care much for smartphones other than the fact my generation really likes Discord.
- stjohnswarts 4y agoThis is a great move. I welcome it. I would not blame China at all for the same moves. Something as critical as telecom infrastructure should not come from your biggest military adversary.
- itsoktocry 4y ago>biggest military adversary Why is the default position that they are a military adversary? I mean, in what ways are they even an adversary, outside of the fact they are World #2?
- DannyB2 4y agoTaiwan Or maybe more specifically TSMC.
- trasz 4y agoAnd? There isn’t anything military going on between China and Taiwan, despite continued US efforts to change it.
- CogitoCogito 4y ago> And? There isn’t anything military going on between China and Taiwan, despite continued US efforts to change it. China regularly threatens military action against Taiwan.
- trasz 4y agoUSA regularly threatens military action against Taiwan. China has made it very clear they don’t have any intention to invade. They also don’t have a recent history of invading. I guess the optics here depends on the sources you’re following. If you only read one side you can get to rather silly conclusions.
- CogitoCogito 4y ago
- trasz 4y agoWell, if American companies can’t compete on market terms… They are buying congressmen for a reason.
- alvarezbjm-hn 4y agoIs this measure effective? China exports many other brands, more to come. Also, although less relevant, nothing prevents them from rebranding Huawei and ZTE. I would think banning equipment manufactured in China would be meaningful.
- WhyNotHugo 4y ago> Is this measure effective? To determine if it's effective, you need a well-defined goal. Here's there's just a claim of "national security threats", which is as vague as it gets. Does it fulfil the goal of removing foreign competitors from the local US market? Sure, that's pretty much all it's doing.
- lyrachord 4y ago