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It concerns the welfare system that has grown too big to be sustained by income taxes. Or, to put it another way, the income taxes have become too low to suppo
by nhaehnle 15y ago
It concerns the welfare system that has grown too big to be sustained by income taxes.
Or, to put it another way, the income taxes have become too low to support the welfare system.
To be honest, the amount of spurious framing in these debates is annoying me. Of course the welfare system is sustainable. The only question is whether there is a will to sustain it.
One way to look at it (which, admittedly, may be a form of framing as well): Do we want to live in a perhaps demanding but still caring society, where you can focus on achieving great things, or do we want to live in an uncaring society, where the majority is forced to focus on maintaining what little they have.
Fear of losing status or real standards of living is a great productivity killer, because fear generally switches our brains into a narrow-minded tunnel vision mode. That mode may be useful when you're chased by wolves in the forest, but it's not such a great thing for being productive in a complex economic environment.
What is driving now the crisis are public expenses, don't fool around with other fantasies.
There are always two sides of the coin. Where you see high expenses, I see low income.
It is also important to note that public welfare systems tend to be more efficient than private ones. In the case of Germany, for example, the overhead of private pension funds is often around or above 4%, where the overhead of the public pension system is below 1%. So for the same amount of pensions provided, the private system is more expensive and less efficient than the public system.
- viandante 15y agoAll what you want. But Italy has a tax to gdp ratio close to 50%. Germany has it probably higher than 40%. You want to increase taxes? Fine. Then say you want to nationalize the economy, because that is the end result.
- nhaehnle 15y agoI am sorry, but that does not logically follow. If you think it does, then at least you have to explain why you think this is the case. There certainly have been times with higher tax ratios without a nationalized economy.
- bdunbar 15y agoOf course the welfare system is sustainable. Welfare is sustainable. Until you have more people on the roles than are working. Then .. not so much. I would say that welfare is sustainable at the time it was enacted, and for that time period. A good example might be US Social Security. At the time, relatively few people lived more than a few years past retirement age. This is sustainable. Time passes. People live a lot longer, there are more people drawing on the system. There are more benefits _in_ the system than originally imagined: old people vote and they vote (as a block) for pols who will give them stuff. And then more stuff. I'm simplifying of course but .. welfare is not sustainable because people want more stuff and initial conditions change.