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Some counterpoints and personal experience: > 3. If you have a small team that hires slowly, it's relatively straightforward to bring new devs up to speed on "
by kodah 4y ago
Some counterpoints and personal experience:
> 3. If you have a small team that hires slowly, it's relatively straightforward to bring new devs up to speed on "the way we do things." if you are hiring rapidly and/or have a large team, the more bespoke things you have, the harder it is to maintain them.
I disagree that framework or no-framework is the distinguishing characteristic. I do think that the quality of the code base, documentation, and onboarding plays a role in how fast devs get onboarded. Anecdotally, the only framework-based projects I've signed on to ended up incurring more onboarding time because I had to learn the framework, how the framework does things, and then how the team does things in the framework. All of this "how" is a step before "why", of which, every step eventually needs to be repeated over the course of my tenure in order to be successful.
> 4. Over time, everything degrades. In the long run, many framework-free applications either get walled off as "legacy" apps with new work done in separate services, or replaced outright. If it makes you money before that happens, you win. It is not necessary to try to design architecture that will last for centuries.
I've personally never seen this in any language except Java. Spring might as well be Java at many companies. The bespoke applications stay around, in my experience, because:
- They exactly match the business requirement and that requirement doesn't change much
- People don't know how to work on them or the product has little funding, probably because of the above reason
- The company has hired a team to maintain the product that have not moved
I've also seen where companies try to replace something bespoke with something written in a framework where the budget expands multiple years in a row and the project never completes because it's impossible to make the framework do what the bespoke product did completely.
> 5. My last and--to me the most significant--observation is this: You want to pay the majority of your attention to the code that has the greatest impact on your desired outcomes.
To me, this reads as, "we should spend the majority of the time focusing on our core competencies". I've heard this time and time again in this industry and no matter what way I've heard it explained I've never liked it. Businesses that only stay in their core competency, or narrowly define their competency, often stagnate with time. There's a lot less opportunity for organic business growth with that mindset. They'll also have little expertise to solve problems as they scale, other than through purchasing, because they only have knowledge that serves their core competency. The businesses I've seen become most successful alongside strong technical success were businesses that encouraged employees to innovate and experiment in new ways on a rhythm, allowing that innovation to inspire and percolate when it finds a strong usecase.
- a4isms 4y ago> Anecdotally, the only framework-based projects I've signed on to ended up incurring more onboarding time because I had to learn the framework, how the framework does things, and then how the team does things in the framework. All of this "how" is a step before "why", of which, every step eventually needs to be repeated over the course of my tenure in order to be successful. This is one of the most interesting replies, thank you. The pitch for a lot of tools—be they frameworks, libraries, languages, &c.—is that if they’re popular, you get to hire people who arrive already knowing the basics of how things are done. The reality is that popularity waxes and wanes, so when people are evaluating a tool’s fitness for purpose, they sometimes have to read tea leaves to decide if it’ll pay off or not. A company making several such wrong bets in a row often has a trail of poorly supported ancient technologies lurking around. They still work—Joel Spolsky famously said that code doesn’t rust—but it’s aggravating to onboard, there are few productivity advantages, and sometimes the same thing is done three different ways because the company made two “wrong” bets before making the bet they currently think is “right.” Would things be better had they just done their own thing and stuck to it? Possibly, I tried above NOT to make a claim that a popular framework is either the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do. But it is good to read your comment pointing out that sometimes, a popular framework isn’t popular enough to harvest the benefits for people onboarding.