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It's a trial run: "The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services introduced the pilot program, which will provide a three-year guaranteed income
by givemeethekeys 4y ago
It's a trial run:
"The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services introduced the pilot program, which will provide a three-year guaranteed income for about 300 people ages 18 to 24, the agency said."
- climb_stealth 4y agoThis is what I don't quite get. Surely to trial this properly people should get the guaranteed income for life. I don't quite see how one can draw many conclusions from such a short timeframe when people know it is going to end.
- wbobeirne 4y agoCan you consider any government provided income guaranteed for life? Next election season you might have your benefits programs slashed.
- charcircuit 4y agoWhat if the government paid in treasury bonds?
- woodruffw 4y agoThe problem is not the medium, but the payment mechanism -- if disbursing those bonds can be stopped by an Act of Congress, then there remains a chance (maybe a small one) that any UBI program will not be a true UBI program. And that affects how the recipients of UBI treat their money.
- charcircuit 4y agoIf your UBI is guaranteed to last 30 years then people would treat it very similar to if it were to go on for their whole life at least for the majority of that 30 years.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> Can you consider any government provided income guaranteed for life? Congress is sovereign. But states can strike binding contracts under federal law. (They have to lawfully cede their own, limited sovereign immunity, though.)
- IncRnd 4y ago> Surely to trial this properly people should get the guaranteed income for life. If you read the article, you will see it states that to be the eligible, one "must currently be enrolled in the General Relief Opportunities for Work, or GROW, program, which provides employment and training services for young adults". It's not intended to be a lifelong income, so why would they test that with people?
- climb_stealth 4y agoRight, that is very much fair enough then. I was thinking of Universal Basic Income. For which trials are done on a similar timeframe if I'm not mistaken.
- IncRnd 4y agoYes. There also seems to be a disconnect from this article and the press release it links. While they both contain the words, "Universal Basic Income," this UBI seems time-bound and purpose driven like an old-fashioned grant that is spread over time.
- jerojero 4y agoI think a better approach would be to make an experiment and set people at different times (say 3, 5, 10, 30 years) and see how they compare. Maybe a 3 year trial is enough to draw certain types of conclusions but not others. In any case, maybe 3 years trial might be enough to justify in the future a longer and bigger experiment which might be the point of these experiments.
- thrown_22 4y agoThere's a difference between giving _some_ people UBI and giving _all_ people UBI. A simpler example: tell 300 people to drive on the other side of the road to everyone else. This will surely give us meaningful safety data. When everyone has UBI the only people who benefit are the landlords. We might as well just write another zero to all banknotes and say we solved poverty.
- wombat-man 4y agoI don't think UBI is a good idea, and I don't think they should call this UBI. But I do think this plan could be the right help at the right time. They're still younger and have a chance.
- AmericanChopper 4y agoWhat exactly do you think the U in UBI stands for?
- JonnyNotSoFast 4y ago
- adastra22 4y agoThis is just a rebranding of welfare: > Those eligible must currently be enrolled in the General Relief Opportunities for Work, or GROW, program, which provides employment and training services for young adults who face employment and educational barriers and often come from vulnerable backgrounds, including being unhoused or unsheltered.