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I mean, I run a startup not doing that much worse. I have 0 accountants (pay CPA yearly for tax work). 0 lawyers. 0 devops. 0 QA. 0 monitoring . 0 HR. I do ha

I mean, I run a startup not doing that much worse. I have 0 accountants (pay CPA yearly for tax work). 0 lawyers. 0 devops. 0 QA. 0 monitoring . 0 HR. I do have : 3 devs (if I include myself) 3 support (tickets) 2 other supporting roles If I coded 100% myself (which I have in the past and could in the future, it would just mean less new features) and had a way to not answer tickets (like the OP story it sounds like due to product complexity), I could totally do this alone… It’s amazing how lean you can be in SaaS if you must. Us bootstrappers know this. So much if a modern enterprise is bloat. You have how many DBAs? How many QA? Lol.

p1necone 4y ago
Dev and devops shouldn't be separate people anyway. If your devops person isn't also working on the product you're doing it wrong (in my only slightly educated opinion).
psaux 4y ago
That might be SAAS. The other side of the coin is not the same. You do a multi year multi million dollar deal with a fortune 100, don’t expect 0 lawyers, 0 CPA’s.
- nimchimpsky 4y ago
- codingdave 4y ago
  You hire a lawyer for that specific work. At $14M ARR, you can afford to hire one when needed. They don't have to be a full-time employee. Same goes for accounting or any other operational staffing. Part-time or project-based contracting works great for such things.
  - brianwawok 4y ago
    Right, it would be insane to have a full time lawyer (or HR or Monitoring or DevOps) at that size. At $600 an hour you can likely do all your legal work in 0-10 hours a year.
jeromegv 4y ago
So you are 8 people. Quite a lot different than a single person. If you had a way to not answer tickets, that means you would not offer support to customers, so likely a lot less customers would be interested to pay you. You don’t get to 14 millions by cheaping out that way.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  More like you end up with minimal staffing a la floqast for example.
- speleding 4y ago
  I run a SaaS, quite similar numbers to the parent. Depending on the complexity of your support tickets, it's pretty easy to outsource to part-time freelancers. I just pick up the tickets that they flag as too difficult for them. (Edit: we're still quite some ways off $14M, but I could see it scale there without changing the structure much)
- brianwawok 4y ago
  Right, its a different product though. He has a low support required product. But I can 100% imagine making a product without much support required, and running it. Tis not hard.
HWR_14 4y ago
There is a literal order of magnitude difference between a SaaS product generating $14MM AAR/employee and your situation.
riskneutral 4y ago
No lawyer or bookkeeper is a terrible idea. But they don't need to be FTEs.

p1necone 4y ago

Dev and devops shouldn't be separate people anyway. If your devops person isn't also working on the product you're doing it wrong (in my only slightly educated opinion).

psaux 4y ago

That might be SAAS. The other side of the coin is not the same. You do a multi year multi million dollar deal with a fortune 100, don’t expect 0 lawyers, 0 CPA’s.

nimchimpsky 4y ago
codingdave 4y ago
You hire a lawyer for that specific work. At $14M ARR, you can afford to hire one when needed. They don't have to be a full-time employee. Same goes for accounting or any other operational staffing. Part-time or project-based contracting works great for such things.
- brianwawok 4y ago
  Right, it would be insane to have a full time lawyer (or HR or Monitoring or DevOps) at that size. At $600 an hour you can likely do all your legal work in 0-10 hours a year.

jeromegv 4y ago

So you are 8 people. Quite a lot different than a single person. If you had a way to not answer tickets, that means you would not offer support to customers, so likely a lot less customers would be interested to pay you. You don’t get to 14 millions by cheaping out that way.

formerkrogemp 4y ago
More like you end up with minimal staffing a la floqast for example.
speleding 4y ago
I run a SaaS, quite similar numbers to the parent. Depending on the complexity of your support tickets, it's pretty easy to outsource to part-time freelancers. I just pick up the tickets that they flag as too difficult for them. (Edit: we're still quite some ways off $14M, but I could see it scale there without changing the structure much)
brianwawok 4y ago
Right, its a different product though. He has a low support required product. But I can 100% imagine making a product without much support required, and running it. Tis not hard.

HWR_14 4y ago

There is a literal order of magnitude difference between a SaaS product generating $14MM AAR/employee and your situation.

riskneutral 4y ago

No lawyer or bookkeeper is a terrible idea. But they don't need to be FTEs.