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I am also not a lawyer, but I think states don't want there to be confusion between "licensed professionals" and people providing a service that could be mistak

by lbotos 4y ago

I am also not a lawyer, but I think states don't want there to be confusion between "licensed professionals" and people providing a service that could be mistaken for work done by a licensed professional: https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/unauthorized-practice-of-a-profession-ny-ed-law-6512.html https://www.new-york-lawyers.org/unauthorized-practice-of-a-... You have to remember that if "someone draws up a lot line for you" for money then you might be providing a licensed service without a license. The rules to cut hair in NY are harder than the rules to be a computer programmer: "Complete a 1,000 hour approved course of study and pass both the New York State written and practical examinations." - https://dos.ny.gov/cosmetology https://dos.ny.gov/cosmetology

djoldman 4y ago
It's somewhat interesting to use the disclaimer that one isn't a lawyer in a paragraph stating that such disclaimers are invalid. In my experience, people generally believe that stating one isn't a doctor or lawyer protects against an accusation of practicing without a license.
- jehb 4y ago
  > In my experience, people generally believe that stating one isn't a doctor or lawyer protects against an accusation of practicing without a license. I can't believe you that as a lawyer you would claim that!
- HWR_14 4y ago
  There's a difference, in that discussing the law and the implications of it are things we expect people to do constantly and not just by lawyers. For instance, I'm sure a lot of discussions in Wall Street around the contract Musk signed for Twitter were done by non-lawyers. I do not think that such a disclaimer would help if we were talking about your, djoldman's, plea bargain negotiations.
Tangurena2 4y ago
> The rules to cut hair in NY are harder than the rules to be a computer programmer: Occupational licensing was a key element in Jim Crow. Why should there be exams and licenses for barbers (who are legally allowed to cut facial hair) or cosmetologists (who are prohibited from cutting facial hair - beards & mustaches)? Because black people might get away with doing the job. And if black people were doing that job, then other black people would never go to a white barber or cosmetologist. Vagrancy (the crime of not having a job) was enforced almost exclusively against only non-white people. Then, they'd be sentenced to work on the chain gang (or other slavery-equivalent) in accordance with the 13th Amendment. Requiring a license (which minorities could never get) made it far easier to punish people for failing to be born white. Whenever something in America seems to make no sense at all, the key is to think about how a white supremacist would use it to abuse non-white people. One key to understanding the history of racial inequality and civil rights in America would be to imagine that the South actually won the Civil War. TL;DR - it is racism all the way down.

by lbotos 4y ago

djoldman 4y ago

It's somewhat interesting to use the disclaimer that one isn't a lawyer in a paragraph stating that such disclaimers are invalid. In my experience, people generally believe that stating one isn't a doctor or lawyer protects against an accusation of practicing without a license.

jehb 4y ago
> In my experience, people generally believe that stating one isn't a doctor or lawyer protects against an accusation of practicing without a license. I can't believe you that as a lawyer you would claim that!
HWR_14 4y ago
There's a difference, in that discussing the law and the implications of it are things we expect people to do constantly and not just by lawyers. For instance, I'm sure a lot of discussions in Wall Street around the contract Musk signed for Twitter were done by non-lawyers. I do not think that such a disclaimer would help if we were talking about your, djoldman's, plea bargain negotiations.

Tangurena2 4y ago

> The rules to cut hair in NY are harder than the rules to be a computer programmer: Occupational licensing was a key element in Jim Crow. Why should there be exams and licenses for barbers (who are legally allowed to cut facial hair) or cosmetologists (who are prohibited from cutting facial hair - beards & mustaches)? Because black people might get away with doing the job. And if black people were doing that job, then other black people would never go to a white barber or cosmetologist. Vagrancy (the crime of not having a job) was enforced almost exclusively against only non-white people. Then, they'd be sentenced to work on the chain gang (or other slavery-equivalent) in accordance with the 13th Amendment. Requiring a license (which minorities could never get) made it far easier to punish people for failing to be born white. Whenever something in America seems to make no sense at all, the key is to think about how a white supremacist would use it to abuse non-white people. One key to understanding the history of racial inequality and civil rights in America would be to imagine that the South actually won the Civil War. TL;DR - it is racism all the way down.