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Hire Jim Keller back and build the next thing instead of milking the same customers. The company developing a competent alternative to the M1/M2 or nvidia GPU

by alfor 4y ago

Hire Jim Keller back and build the next thing instead of milking the same customers. The company developing a competent alternative to the M1/M2 or nvidia GPU is going to have a good business. Seems to me that Intel is alway in this cycle of greatness and then crash while sitting on their laurels. It seem they need to have a fire under their buts to make the right decisions.

acchow 4y ago
Intel’s newest chips have efficiency cores alongside performance cores. They are actually somewhat competitive to M1 now
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  It would be more accurate to say Intel CPUs will have performance cores alongside efficiency cores from 13th gen onwards. That is to say, i9 13900K will have 8 performance cores and 16 efficiency cores if I recall correctly. Many of the mobile CPUs in 12th gen also have more efficiency than performance cores.
  - acchow 4y ago
    For the desktop, they mostly have more P cores than E cores. For mobile chips, it's reversed.
phendrenad2 4y ago
I love comments like this. I don't think any other industry has this kind of sport-team mythos in the mind of the layman. If Ford or Toyota has a bad year, people think "Hmm they need to make better cars". If Intel or AMD has a bad year, people say "Clearly they need do hire that guy who was in charge when they made all those good chips". It's incredibly lazy thinking, and I love it.
- alfor 4y ago
  If Ford or Toyota had a Steve Job or Elon musk they wouldn’t be in the same place. Listen to interview with Jim Keller, yes, there is a whole team doing the work, but you need a technical/management person with the credibility and willingness to make the hard choices and take risks. 99% of people hired for CEO roles will be happy to coast, take their bonus on short time gains and move to the next opportunity. Who is willing to take risks for long term success that will not appear on the quarterly report? You need someone who can get that job and at the same time doesn’t give a damn about what people think and about the money. Those people are rare. That’s why Apple doesn’t have ’another’ Steve Job, Apple will coast on the previous trajectory for a while, but won’t disrupt anything else major, they will play safe. The same is true for Google, they got their own money printer going nonstop, who would be crazy enough to take risks with that? The last disruption of Google was Gmail/GSuite and was started as a side project. How many top engineer do they have, where is all their output? For Intel they need to disrupt their own products to move forward, that’s why it’s hard to do, you don’t want to kill the golden goose. But it’s either you now or the competition in a few years. Man Intel was really sleeping on this one to be kicked that hard by Apple on the first release of their desktop chip. So in a nutshell: talented engineers are everywhere in those companies, that’s not the diferenting factor, good leadership is and the incentives reward those who don’t take risks. BTW: your comment is mostly an ad hominem with a condescending tone: mind of the laymen, incredibly lazy thinking, I love comment like this! Try with arguments instead.
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    > Try with arguments instead Your original post had no argument, either, so I don't see the necessity. Now that you've provided an argument, we can have a discussion, starting with: > Intel was really sleeping on this one to be kicked that hard by Apple on the first release of their desktop chip This isn't true. The M1 in a desktop isn't competitive against Intel chips.
- adrr 4y ago
  Intel has had a bad 10 years. The market has more than doubled in size and yet they have grown 25%. 10 years ago Intel made more revenue than AMD, Nvidia, and Qualcomm combined. I bet Qualcomm passes Intel in revenue in two years. All those companies have more than doubled their revenue. AMD went from $6b to $22b. NVidia from $4b to $30b. Qualcomm $19B to $54B. Intel went from $53B to $68B with the last 2 years being flat and this year actually declining. Intel can't execute. They are failing to shrink transistor size. Failed at a 5G modem. Failed to deliver a competitive mobile processor.
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    This is irrelevant. If Ford or Toyota have 10 bad years, people will not suddenly start talking about all of the superstar, legendary car designers they should pull out of book signings back onto the field.

by alfor 4y ago

acchow 4y ago

Intel’s newest chips have efficiency cores alongside performance cores. They are actually somewhat competitive to M1 now

Dalewyn 4y ago
It would be more accurate to say Intel CPUs will have performance cores alongside efficiency cores from 13th gen onwards. That is to say, i9 13900K will have 8 performance cores and 16 efficiency cores if I recall correctly. Many of the mobile CPUs in 12th gen also have more efficiency than performance cores.
- acchow 4y ago
  For the desktop, they mostly have more P cores than E cores. For mobile chips, it's reversed.

phendrenad2 4y ago

I love comments like this. I don't think any other industry has this kind of sport-team mythos in the mind of the layman. If Ford or Toyota has a bad year, people think "Hmm they need to make better cars". If Intel or AMD has a bad year, people say "Clearly they need do hire that guy who was in charge when they made all those good chips". It's incredibly lazy thinking, and I love it.

alfor 4y ago
If Ford or Toyota had a Steve Job or Elon musk they wouldn’t be in the same place. Listen to interview with Jim Keller, yes, there is a whole team doing the work, but you need a technical/management person with the credibility and willingness to make the hard choices and take risks. 99% of people hired for CEO roles will be happy to coast, take their bonus on short time gains and move to the next opportunity. Who is willing to take risks for long term success that will not appear on the quarterly report? You need someone who can get that job and at the same time doesn’t give a damn about what people think and about the money. Those people are rare. That’s why Apple doesn’t have ’another’ Steve Job, Apple will coast on the previous trajectory for a while, but won’t disrupt anything else major, they will play safe. The same is true for Google, they got their own money printer going nonstop, who would be crazy enough to take risks with that? The last disruption of Google was Gmail/GSuite and was started as a side project. How many top engineer do they have, where is all their output? For Intel they need to disrupt their own products to move forward, that’s why it’s hard to do, you don’t want to kill the golden goose. But it’s either you now or the competition in a few years. Man Intel was really sleeping on this one to be kicked that hard by Apple on the first release of their desktop chip. So in a nutshell: talented engineers are everywhere in those companies, that’s not the diferenting factor, good leadership is and the incentives reward those who don’t take risks. BTW: your comment is mostly an ad hominem with a condescending tone: mind of the laymen, incredibly lazy thinking, I love comment like this! Try with arguments instead.
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  > Try with arguments instead Your original post had no argument, either, so I don't see the necessity. Now that you've provided an argument, we can have a discussion, starting with: > Intel was really sleeping on this one to be kicked that hard by Apple on the first release of their desktop chip This isn't true. The M1 in a desktop isn't competitive against Intel chips.
adrr 4y ago
Intel has had a bad 10 years. The market has more than doubled in size and yet they have grown 25%. 10 years ago Intel made more revenue than AMD, Nvidia, and Qualcomm combined. I bet Qualcomm passes Intel in revenue in two years. All those companies have more than doubled their revenue. AMD went from $6b to $22b. NVidia from $4b to $30b. Qualcomm $19B to $54B. Intel went from $53B to $68B with the last 2 years being flat and this year actually declining. Intel can't execute. They are failing to shrink transistor size. Failed at a 5G modem. Failed to deliver a competitive mobile processor.
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  This is irrelevant. If Ford or Toyota have 10 bad years, people will not suddenly start talking about all of the superstar, legendary car designers they should pull out of book signings back onto the field.