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You can’t take an adversarial position to your employer, such as joining a union, and then expect your employer to treat you just like a man who isn’t in a unio

You can’t take an adversarial position to your employer, such as joining a union, and then expect your employer to treat you just like a man who isn’t in a union.

couchand 4y ago
Perhaps you wouldn't mind sharing examples of these mythical workers who joined a union despite the benevolence of their employer? I suppose those mean heartless laborers left the poor helpless capitalist with no other options.
ok_dad 4y ago
There are two sides to any relationship. An employer can choose to begin their relationship with me in a non-adversarial way, accepting that I and my colleagues want to be represented by a union of the group of us and still be decent and try to reward us for the hard work we do, or they can fight it tooth and nail, constantly stick to the "letter of the law" like Apple here (which is just trying to make union and non-union employees feel disconnected from each other and shed negative light on the union), etc. That's why unions also use these tactics to fight back against that (the old "work to rule" or whatever you want to call it). I expect my employer to treat me as an individual and as a member of a greater collective of humans. Besides, my employer isn't a faceless corporation, it's the management in the chain from my boss up through the CEO, all also humans. Instead, most employers choose to use what power they have over me to make my life harder and make my working time shittier for no reason. Unions didn't just pop out because people felt too comfortable and well-treated at their jobs.
lmm 4y ago
If an employer considers taking measures to understand and protect your rights to be adverserial, then they're probably screwing you over. A decent employer has nothing to fear from a union. It's like how if someone won't let you read over a contract with your lawyer before signing it, that's a giant red flag that the contract is against your interests.
Rexxar 4y ago
Why joining an union is considered adversarial ? The behaviour of the union can be adversarial but an union is fundamentally just an association of employees.

You can’t take an adversarial position to your employer, such as joining a union, and then expect your employer to treat you just like a man who isn’t in a union.

couchand 4y ago

Perhaps you wouldn't mind sharing examples of these mythical workers who joined a union despite the benevolence of their employer? I suppose those mean heartless laborers left the poor helpless capitalist with no other options.

ok_dad 4y ago

There are two sides to any relationship. An employer can choose to begin their relationship with me in a non-adversarial way, accepting that I and my colleagues want to be represented by a union of the group of us and still be decent and try to reward us for the hard work we do, or they can fight it tooth and nail, constantly stick to the "letter of the law" like Apple here (which is just trying to make union and non-union employees feel disconnected from each other and shed negative light on the union), etc. That's why unions also use these tactics to fight back against that (the old "work to rule" or whatever you want to call it). I expect my employer to treat me as an individual and as a member of a greater collective of humans. Besides, my employer isn't a faceless corporation, it's the management in the chain from my boss up through the CEO, all also humans. Instead, most employers choose to use what power they have over me to make my life harder and make my working time shittier for no reason. Unions didn't just pop out because people felt too comfortable and well-treated at their jobs.

lmm 4y ago

If an employer considers taking measures to understand and protect your rights to be adverserial, then they're probably screwing you over. A decent employer has nothing to fear from a union. It's like how if someone won't let you read over a contract with your lawyer before signing it, that's a giant red flag that the contract is against your interests.

Rexxar 4y ago

Why joining an union is considered adversarial ? The behaviour of the union can be adversarial but an union is fundamentally just an association of employees.