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In this thread there are many non-new accounts taking positions such as: - This infringes on the first amendment - He shouldn't be punished solely for his

In this thread there are many non-new accounts taking positions such as: - This infringes on the first amendment - He shouldn't be punished solely for his speech - What about this or that person who did X - The punishment is too much - Anyway, he'll never pay so it doesn't really matter All these strike me as being sympathetic to Jones. Why even post such things if not to elicit sympathy or muddy waters? Meanwhile you and others are up and down the thread playing whack-a-mole with these people. So calling a spade a spade, I'm surprised how many on this site are sympathetic to Jones. If you find that corrosive and unhelpful so be it. P.S. I'm only replying because your a respected member of this community who has called me out.

tptacek 4y ago
My perception is that the comments and the voting on this thread overwhelmingly disfavors Jones. But, anyways, just as a general rule, characterizing the tone of an entire thread or of HN in general is just something we're not supposed to be doing here. That's all!
_-david-_ 4y ago
Being sympathetic is not the same as a fan. I think you are misrepresenting the views held by those making the statements.
int_19h 4y ago
These are all valid points that you may strongly disagree with, but at least recognize that they don't require being sympathetic to Jones. E.g. the first two are just a very extreme position on the general freedom-of-speech scale, which some people hold for purely ideological reasons. Similarly, the third and the fourth are also a matter of justice and fairness in the abstract - that the punishment ought to be the same for the same crime. And so on. Indeed, I would say that most commenters on this story that take one or more of those positions explicitly state that they're doing so as a matter of principle. Which, given the prevailing attitudes hereabouts on topics such as freedom of speech, is quite believable - so why are you assuming some other sinister motivation?
account42 4y ago
Some people are capable of disagreeing with actions towards those that they disprove of instead of always blindly jacking off to "justice" porn.

tptacek 4y ago

My perception is that the comments and the voting on this thread overwhelmingly disfavors Jones. But, anyways, just as a general rule, characterizing the tone of an entire thread or of HN in general is just something we're not supposed to be doing here. That's all!

_-david-_ 4y ago

Being sympathetic is not the same as a fan. I think you are misrepresenting the views held by those making the statements.

int_19h 4y ago

These are all valid points that you may strongly disagree with, but at least recognize that they don't require being sympathetic to Jones. E.g. the first two are just a very extreme position on the general freedom-of-speech scale, which some people hold for purely ideological reasons. Similarly, the third and the fourth are also a matter of justice and fairness in the abstract - that the punishment ought to be the same for the same crime. And so on. Indeed, I would say that most commenters on this story that take one or more of those positions explicitly state that they're doing so as a matter of principle. Which, given the prevailing attitudes hereabouts on topics such as freedom of speech, is quite believable - so why are you assuming some other sinister motivation?

account42 4y ago

Some people are capable of disagreeing with actions towards those that they disprove of instead of always blindly jacking off to "justice" porn.