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From the author’s About page: “I mostly work with Ruby on Rails. A professional, Open Source platform which powers enormous (e.g. Twitter.com) and tiny applicat

by cgh 4y ago

From the author’s About page: “I mostly work with Ruby on Rails. A professional, Open Source platform which powers enormous (e.g. Twitter.com) and tiny applications.”

LAC-Tech 4y ago
Is your implication here that he's a hypocrite, or that he knows what he's talking about from experience?
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  Based on my own experience with Ruby on Rails, I'm ill-convinced that Rails experience gives you a good understanding of frameworks in general. It can give you a solid respect for the dangers of letting a framework grow far beyond a simple focus.
djbusby 4y ago
Wait, Twitter is still RoR?
- kayodelycaon 4y ago
  No. They haven’t been for a very long time. ~2008, iirc.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    Rails really does not scale. In performance or development. It’s still a great option for small sites though.
    - kayodelycaon 4y ago
      Done Rails my entire career. It scales more than you think if you’re willing to throw some hardware at it and avoid turning your controllers and models into logic layer soup. What kills scaling is inexperienced developers doing what I just mentioned. Also, ActiveRecord is not your friend at scale. It’s wonderful in small amounts, but callbacks and memory overhead will kill you. You really need to learn SQL to avoid doing select * on seven tables. Also, view partials. The lookup cost on those is pretty high.
      - thom 4y ago
        To be fair, any framework scales if you throw hardware at it and stop using the slow bits.
        Ma8ee 4y ago
        The question is if there is anything meaningful left after you stoped using the slow bits.
    - naet 4y ago
      Off the top of my head, I think Github and Gitlab are both based on Rails, as well as Shopify and Airbnb. So there are for sure some very large companies that use Rails successfully at scale. I can't speak to how difficult it was to develop or deploy, and it seems like Ruby as a whole has lost some popularity, but Rails has worked and continues to work for a lot of organizations.
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        It seems like a herculean effort to make it work from what I have seen at GitLab. Which includes having the majority of the site not in rails but Go microservices. Personally I find that Ruby is more the problem than Rails. Having an untyped language makes things extremely difficult to work with as the app grows. Gem updates are very difficult to do safely.
      - reducesuffering 4y ago
        GitHub is moving away from Rails to Go now. So have Twitch, Twitter, Stripe, LinkedIn, etc.
    - deleted 4y ago
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by cgh 4y ago

From the author’s About page: “I mostly work with Ruby on Rails. A professional, Open Source platform which powers enormous (e.g. Twitter.com) and tiny applications.”

LAC-Tech 4y ago

Is your implication here that he's a hypocrite, or that he knows what he's talking about from experience?

shadowgovt 4y ago
Based on my own experience with Ruby on Rails, I'm ill-convinced that Rails experience gives you a good understanding of frameworks in general. It can give you a solid respect for the dangers of letting a framework grow far beyond a simple focus.

djbusby 4y ago

Wait, Twitter is still RoR?

kayodelycaon 4y ago
No. They haven’t been for a very long time. ~2008, iirc.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Rails really does not scale. In performance or development. It’s still a great option for small sites though.
  - kayodelycaon 4y ago
    Done Rails my entire career. It scales more than you think if you’re willing to throw some hardware at it and avoid turning your controllers and models into logic layer soup. What kills scaling is inexperienced developers doing what I just mentioned. Also, ActiveRecord is not your friend at scale. It’s wonderful in small amounts, but callbacks and memory overhead will kill you. You really need to learn SQL to avoid doing select * on seven tables. Also, view partials. The lookup cost on those is pretty high.
    - thom 4y ago
      To be fair, any framework scales if you throw hardware at it and stop using the slow bits.
      - Ma8ee 4y ago
        The question is if there is anything meaningful left after you stoped using the slow bits.
  - naet 4y ago
    Off the top of my head, I think Github and Gitlab are both based on Rails, as well as Shopify and Airbnb. So there are for sure some very large companies that use Rails successfully at scale. I can't speak to how difficult it was to develop or deploy, and it seems like Ruby as a whole has lost some popularity, but Rails has worked and continues to work for a lot of organizations.
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      It seems like a herculean effort to make it work from what I have seen at GitLab. Which includes having the majority of the site not in rails but Go microservices. Personally I find that Ruby is more the problem than Rails. Having an untyped language makes things extremely difficult to work with as the app grows. Gem updates are very difficult to do safely.
    - reducesuffering 4y ago
      GitHub is moving away from Rails to Go now. So have Twitch, Twitter, Stripe, LinkedIn, etc.
  - deleted 4y ago
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