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I and most adults I know have never used those apps. We’re also on our ~15th iphone

by conductr 4y ago

Jtsummers 4y ago
You've never used email?
- conductr 4y ago
  Not with my friends. It’s also a protocol which can be used on pretty much all devices with your pick of clients so was a bad example in the list.
MrVandemar 4y ago
15th iPhone? I'm 50 and I'm still on my 1st Android phone (which is a piece of crap, but I have an environmental responsibility to use it as long as possible and it still does perfectly good phone things like SMS and voice and DCSS). I've owned maybe four mobile phones in my whole life. I guess you're creating employment. See: https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-health/settings-populations/children/e-waste https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.
  - Sjeiti 4y ago
    I'm on my fifth smartphone (since 2009). But I've always used Android. It could be that iOS users are more inclined to replace perfectly working hardware.
    - lostlogin 4y ago
      Not all of us. Gigantic phones are off putting. Every few years Apple tries making a mini and that’s the time to buy. I’m fairly tall and have size appropriate hands (I think). I struggle to reach the top corners of my 12 mini. It’s very irritating.
  - conductr 4y ago
    Agree GP is an anomaly and will say 15 could be an exaggeration a bit. I don’t know really but iPhone has been around a long time now and people seem to replace typically every 1-2 years.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Not in most European or African countries, majority is on pre-paid, and phones only get replaced when there is an actual reason, not that two years have gone by.
      - formerly_proven 4y ago
        ~80 % market share for contracts (post-paid) in Germany: https://www.statista.com/topics/7772/mobile-communications-in-germany/ https://www.statista.com/topics/7772/mobile-communications-i...
        pjmlp 4y ago
        I said Europe, not Germany.
        yourusername 4y ago
        I'm on a post paid contract but i haven't had a phone subsidy in a long time. If you want a "free" iphone/android you can lease the phone (effectively it's a personal loan paid back over 2 years).
        account42 4y ago
        ~75% And post-paid mobile contracts don't mean that the phone is paid for by the contract.
        distances 4y ago
        Like the others say, I too have a post-paid without a phone. I personally don't know anyone with a bundled phone, because why would you do that? I pay 8€ per month and change the phone whenever I want.
      - deleted 4y ago
  - throw827474737 4y ago
    I do, and I am still on my second...
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Most people in Europe only replace their phones when they die, get stolen, or lost. Other than a few lucky ones, we aren't big fans of contracts, replacing phones every two years, we enjoy our pre-paid variants, and only replacing them when it actually is required. Even when we use it for more than just SMS and calls.
    - ricardobayes 4y ago
      Still happily using a Nokia which outlasted several iPhones (all of them had terrible microphones in my experience).
    - lxgr 4y ago
      Is this based on your personal observations or can you back that up with any meaningful statistic? I know both people that get the latest iPhone every year, and people still on a Nokia 3310(-equivalent), but the latter are in the vast minority in my circle of friends, also in Europe. Personally, I've been upgrading every 2-3 years (not on a contract), and the phone was never broken.
cykros 4y ago
This is a result of adults being teens. Some people get comfortable.
viraptor 4y ago
Ok, so you're likely either not bothered by the messaging differences or not don't experience them. Now take a moment to imagine someone tries to tell you that your messaging system makes you not desirable in a group. What do you do as an adult? Spend extra money to comply with their ideas, or tell them to either use alternatives, or get over it? Does the fact you've never used those apps even factor into the decision? For context, in many places outside of the us the question is simply "which app do you use" and then you use that like an adult that you are.
- conductr 4y ago
  As I said, everyone I know is on apple so no I don’t notice the difference. I have seen a couple occasional when non Apple users are on a group text and it breaks some things. I can totally see how teens are judging each other on this. They’re judgmental creatures in search of social cues to judge you on. Having android is analogous to wearing cheap Walmart clothes in my day. You’re social clout takes a huge hit. I get it and have empathy, but no solutions as I really think it’s kids being kids and I don’t think Apple as a business should be regulated towards an open protocol (only actual solution). I’ll never know what it’s like to be a teen that texts or has a smart phone because I didn’t experience it. But I hear teens don’t care about cars these days and that was a crucial part of being a teen with a thriving social life where/when I grew up. You’d get teased for not having one or having a old/ugly one. You were excluded from social activities if you couldn’t find transportation. You couldn’t take someone out on a date and it actually impacted whether you were even worth dating. And, it was very expensive for a teenager. The difference with adults is we don’t give each other a hard time about it. Or too much anyways. We will however absolutely refuse to use whatever app you ask us to if we’re am not using it already. We’re also probably not using it already. Most of us bought iPhone at the beginning and have never really considered anything else. That’s why we’ve owned so many of their phones. I’m not European but I find the idea that I should accept I have to context switch between apps based on who I’m talking to be insane. All my texting is in one app, just like email, phone, maps, etc. I might be simplistic but apps are pretty sticky for me once I choose a default for _activity_. I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly the reason the texting apps exploded over there was because you all had bad or expensive SMS originally. iMessage didn’t exist until 2011/iOS 5 and was likely Apple’s response from competition from rapidly growing companies like WhatsApp.

I and most adults I know have never used those apps. We’re also on our ~15th iphone

Jtsummers 4y ago

You've never used email?

conductr 4y ago
Not with my friends. It’s also a protocol which can be used on pretty much all devices with your pick of clients so was a bad example in the list.

MrVandemar 4y ago

15th iPhone? I'm 50 and I'm still on my 1st Android phone (which is a piece of crap, but I have an environmental responsibility to use it as long as possible and it still does perfectly good phone things like SMS and voice and DCSS). I've owned maybe four mobile phones in my whole life. I guess you're creating employment. See: https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-health/settings-populations/children/e-waste https://www.who.int/teams/environment-climate-change-and-hea...

stjohnswarts 4y ago
Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.
- Sjeiti 4y ago
  I'm on my fifth smartphone (since 2009). But I've always used Android. It could be that iOS users are more inclined to replace perfectly working hardware.
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    Not all of us. Gigantic phones are off putting. Every few years Apple tries making a mini and that’s the time to buy. I’m fairly tall and have size appropriate hands (I think). I struggle to reach the top corners of my 12 mini. It’s very irritating.
- conductr 4y ago
  Agree GP is an anomaly and will say 15 could be an exaggeration a bit. I don’t know really but iPhone has been around a long time now and people seem to replace typically every 1-2 years.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Not in most European or African countries, majority is on pre-paid, and phones only get replaced when there is an actual reason, not that two years have gone by.
    - formerly_proven 4y ago
      ~80 % market share for contracts (post-paid) in Germany: https://www.statista.com/topics/7772/mobile-communications-in-germany/ https://www.statista.com/topics/7772/mobile-communications-i...
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        I said Europe, not Germany.
      - yourusername 4y ago
        I'm on a post paid contract but i haven't had a phone subsidy in a long time. If you want a "free" iphone/android you can lease the phone (effectively it's a personal loan paid back over 2 years).
      - account42 4y ago
        ~75% And post-paid mobile contracts don't mean that the phone is paid for by the contract.
      - distances 4y ago
        Like the others say, I too have a post-paid without a phone. I personally don't know anyone with a bundled phone, because why would you do that? I pay 8€ per month and change the phone whenever I want.
    - deleted 4y ago
- throw827474737 4y ago
  I do, and I am still on my second...
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Most people in Europe only replace their phones when they die, get stolen, or lost. Other than a few lucky ones, we aren't big fans of contracts, replacing phones every two years, we enjoy our pre-paid variants, and only replacing them when it actually is required. Even when we use it for more than just SMS and calls.
  - ricardobayes 4y ago
    Still happily using a Nokia which outlasted several iPhones (all of them had terrible microphones in my experience).
  - lxgr 4y ago
    Is this based on your personal observations or can you back that up with any meaningful statistic? I know both people that get the latest iPhone every year, and people still on a Nokia 3310(-equivalent), but the latter are in the vast minority in my circle of friends, also in Europe. Personally, I've been upgrading every 2-3 years (not on a contract), and the phone was never broken.

cykros 4y ago

This is a result of adults being teens. Some people get comfortable.

viraptor 4y ago

Ok, so you're likely either not bothered by the messaging differences or not don't experience them. Now take a moment to imagine someone tries to tell you that your messaging system makes you not desirable in a group. What do you do as an adult? Spend extra money to comply with their ideas, or tell them to either use alternatives, or get over it? Does the fact you've never used those apps even factor into the decision? For context, in many places outside of the us the question is simply "which app do you use" and then you use that like an adult that you are.

conductr 4y ago
As I said, everyone I know is on apple so no I don’t notice the difference. I have seen a couple occasional when non Apple users are on a group text and it breaks some things. I can totally see how teens are judging each other on this. They’re judgmental creatures in search of social cues to judge you on. Having android is analogous to wearing cheap Walmart clothes in my day. You’re social clout takes a huge hit. I get it and have empathy, but no solutions as I really think it’s kids being kids and I don’t think Apple as a business should be regulated towards an open protocol (only actual solution). I’ll never know what it’s like to be a teen that texts or has a smart phone because I didn’t experience it. But I hear teens don’t care about cars these days and that was a crucial part of being a teen with a thriving social life where/when I grew up. You’d get teased for not having one or having a old/ugly one. You were excluded from social activities if you couldn’t find transportation. You couldn’t take someone out on a date and it actually impacted whether you were even worth dating. And, it was very expensive for a teenager. The difference with adults is we don’t give each other a hard time about it. Or too much anyways. We will however absolutely refuse to use whatever app you ask us to if we’re am not using it already. We’re also probably not using it already. Most of us bought iPhone at the beginning and have never really considered anything else. That’s why we’ve owned so many of their phones. I’m not European but I find the idea that I should accept I have to context switch between apps based on who I’m talking to be insane. All my texting is in one app, just like email, phone, maps, etc. I might be simplistic but apps are pretty sticky for me once I choose a default for _activity_. I might be wrong, but if I remember correctly the reason the texting apps exploded over there was because you all had bad or expensive SMS originally. iMessage didn’t exist until 2011/iOS 5 and was likely Apple’s response from competition from rapidly growing companies like WhatsApp.