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> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just s

> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPhone is the lower TCO and more appliance-like nature of the phone. I have enough tech toys to play with every day, I don't need my phone to be one of them.

beckingz 4y ago
Lower total cost of ownership? For an iPhone? That does not check out unless you're buying the extra fancy android phones.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Absolutely. iPhones have a much better resale value if you replace them every two or three years. And if you just want to keep them until they die, they receive updates for maybe 10 years. I've never lost more money on phones than when I was buying flagship Android phones. You might be able to spend less if you buy the crappiest Android phones. But that's not even a little bit comparable to the cheapest iPhone.
- mr_toad 4y ago
  iPhones last longer. The 8 and the X are 5 years old and still compatible with the latest iOS. You don’t get that lifespan on Android.
dzikimarian 4y ago
It might be worth to mention that people inside Apple also agree with that speculation. They even directly mention outcome with kids. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
laundermaf 4y ago
That suggestion that people buy iPhones merely because of iMessage is outrageous to a non-American. While I might certainly be one of the reasons, I doubt it’s the reason, unless the user is 12.
- acedTrex 4y ago
  Not being able to communicate in large group chats with all your friends is social suicide for many people. You won't get 10-15 people that have used IMessage for years to switch, so yes imessage is a primary reason to use iphone.

beckingz 4y ago

Lower total cost of ownership? For an iPhone? That does not check out unless you're buying the extra fancy android phones.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Absolutely. iPhones have a much better resale value if you replace them every two or three years. And if you just want to keep them until they die, they receive updates for maybe 10 years. I've never lost more money on phones than when I was buying flagship Android phones. You might be able to spend less if you buy the crappiest Android phones. But that's not even a little bit comparable to the cheapest iPhone.
mr_toad 4y ago
iPhones last longer. The 8 and the X are 5 years old and still compatible with the latest iOS. You don’t get that lifespan on Android.

dzikimarian 4y ago

It might be worth to mention that people inside Apple also agree with that speculation. They even directly mention outcome with kids. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...

laundermaf 4y ago

That suggestion that people buy iPhones merely because of iMessage is outrageous to a non-American. While I might certainly be one of the reasons, I doubt it’s the reason, unless the user is 12.

acedTrex 4y ago
Not being able to communicate in large group chats with all your friends is social suicide for many people. You won't get 10-15 people that have used IMessage for years to switch, so yes imessage is a primary reason to use iphone.