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Yes, they just presented that evidence to you: > Because when you look back over time many fundamental workers rights came from union involvement.

Alupis 4y ago
I don't think we're in any danger now, in 2022 of returning to 18 hour work days and acceptable workplace deaths. Yes, unions helped usher in a new age of employee rights, and we are all thankful for them. However, in the absence of anything real to fight for, unions in the modern day have increasingly become more of a nuisance than a necessity - for both the employee and employer side.
- threeseed 4y ago
  > in 2022 of returning to 18 hour work days and acceptable workplace deaths This is exactly what is happening in the gig economy. Workers that are not classified as workers and have no representation being taken advantage of by companies like Uber etc.
  - Alupis 4y ago
    This is a crazy take on a volunteer, intended-to-be-part-time-side-hussle-money "gigs". The "Gig Economy" is a fable for the most part. Some small minority of people have made it a full time job, sure, but that is not the norm, not even close. No one is being taken advantage of by Uber, etc. You choose to accept a trip or not... it's that simple.
    - guerrilla 4y ago
      > The "Gig Economy" is a fable for the most part. Some small minority of people have made it a full time job, sure, but that is not the norm, not even close. This is a fallacy. It doesn't matter if it were the norm or not. If it can happen at all, the original claim stands. On top of that, it can expand and in fact is. > No one is being taken advantage of by Uber, etc. You choose to accept a trip or not... it's that simple. This argument is completely invalid. Any worker can choose to accept a job or not; therefore no worker can ever be taken advantage of? Absurd.
- yoasif_ 4y ago
  > I don't think we're in any danger now, in 2022 of returning to 18 hour work days and acceptable workplace deaths. Really? Workplace deaths seem absolutely acceptable, as far as I can tell: https://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/23/in-a-case-of-a-truckers-life-vs-his-cargo-judge-neil-gorsuch-ruled-for-the-cargo/ https://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/23/in-a-case-of-a-trucker...

Alupis 4y ago

I don't think we're in any danger now, in 2022 of returning to 18 hour work days and acceptable workplace deaths. Yes, unions helped usher in a new age of employee rights, and we are all thankful for them. However, in the absence of anything real to fight for, unions in the modern day have increasingly become more of a nuisance than a necessity - for both the employee and employer side.

threeseed 4y ago
> in 2022 of returning to 18 hour work days and acceptable workplace deaths This is exactly what is happening in the gig economy. Workers that are not classified as workers and have no representation being taken advantage of by companies like Uber etc.
- Alupis 4y ago
  This is a crazy take on a volunteer, intended-to-be-part-time-side-hussle-money "gigs". The "Gig Economy" is a fable for the most part. Some small minority of people have made it a full time job, sure, but that is not the norm, not even close. No one is being taken advantage of by Uber, etc. You choose to accept a trip or not... it's that simple.
  - guerrilla 4y ago
    > The "Gig Economy" is a fable for the most part. Some small minority of people have made it a full time job, sure, but that is not the norm, not even close. This is a fallacy. It doesn't matter if it were the norm or not. If it can happen at all, the original claim stands. On top of that, it can expand and in fact is. > No one is being taken advantage of by Uber, etc. You choose to accept a trip or not... it's that simple. This argument is completely invalid. Any worker can choose to accept a job or not; therefore no worker can ever be taken advantage of? Absurd.
yoasif_ 4y ago
> I don't think we're in any danger now, in 2022 of returning to 18 hour work days and acceptable workplace deaths. Really? Workplace deaths seem absolutely acceptable, as far as I can tell: https://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/23/in-a-case-of-a-truckers-life-vs-his-cargo-judge-neil-gorsuch-ruled-for-the-cargo/ https://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/23/in-a-case-of-a-trucker...