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Having investigated some of these questions with respect to quadcopters and micro-mouse 'bots, the power density (both in mass and volume) of capacitors is pret
by LeifCarrotson 4y ago
Having investigated some of these questions with respect to quadcopters and micro-mouse 'bots, the power density (both in mass and volume) of capacitors is pretty terrible. Whether you're talking about aluminum electrolytic traditional capacitors or double-layer supercapacitors, they're inferior in most cases to a lipo. That's especially true if you're open to high-discharge 50C or 75C lipos, which can dump their entire energy capacity in ~60 seconds.
If you only need a few milliseconds of 'zap', yeah, a capacitor bank is great. It's the only option if you need to do that more than a couple hundred times in the life of the battery; a chemical battery will wear out but a capacitor can last for millions or billions of charge/discharge cycles.
But even a time as short as 1.461 seconds is probably on the far side of the inflection point where capacitors make sense.
If you like, run through the options on Digikey:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/electric-double-layer-capacitors-edlc-supercapacitors/61 https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/electric-double-l...
ex:
https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/electronic-components/resources/data-sheet/eaton-xv%20supercapacitor-cylindrical-snap-in-data-sheet.pdf https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/electronic-...
Also remember that an ultracapacitor is about as far in behavior from a physicist's ideal plate capacitor as you can get - they're not linear, they have highly significant internal series resistance...
- TheSpiceIsLife 4y agoAlso remember that top fuel dragster engines only run for a handful of seconds before they need to be rebuilt, and will be destroyed in a non-recoverable way after more than a few handful of seconds of run time. I'm not sure if anyone is building electric dragsters with run-once components, or how that might change assumptions?
- dreamcompiler 4y agoI was thinking more in terms of ordinary capacitors than supercapacitors because the former are vastly superior in terms of power density. However, ordinary caps are so poor in energy density that it just might matter, even for a very short duration energy dump application. IOW I'm not sure there's enough volume in a dragster to meaningfully power it with ordinary caps. But if there is, it would be a very quick car.
- floxy 4y agoSuperconducting Magnetic Energy Storage (SMES) might be the solution looking for this particular problem. Figures 2 & 3: https://snf.ieeecsc.org/sites/ieeecsc.org/files/CR5_Final3_012008.pdf https://snf.ieeecsc.org/sites/ieeecsc.org/files/CR5_Final3_0... ...if nothing else it adds the extra failure points and safety issues that come with cryogenics!