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I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I guess you win Apple.. but it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree.

jacooper 4y ago
Hmmm, this probably will change when the Digital Markets Act starts.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  I mean, if you hate Apple and Google, you don't have a whole lot of other options. I'm vaguely aware of some competitors, but they're quite obscure. And I don't think going without a smartphone is all that feasible either these days.
  - dozgon 4y ago
    Yep, for me, it is banking. N26 (Europe) requires you to have a smartphone and a SIM card. Obtaining a SIM card means that you need to identify yourself. You can't just have a smartphone. The OS needs to be unrooted and also mainstream (iOS/Android). This really sucks. Furthermore, Google and Discord lock your accounts, if you don't provide a phone number. The alternative might be to use an Android/iOS just for banking. Another Android/iOS for services such as Google (Play store). And a Librem or any other open source phone as your daily driver. Or, just live with a "dumb phone" or no additional phone. I am not sure about the SIM card. Is it even possible within the EU to buy one without identification?
    - gattilorenz 4y ago
      > Is it even possible within the EU to buy one without identification? If it’s a prepaid one, sure. Just go to the supermarket in NL and get one for 10€, pay with cash.
      - vinay427 4y ago
        Obviously, if you’re in one of the many EU countries that require identification (even if simpler than Germany’s video identification system) it’s not trivial to go to a supermarket in NL. I imagine it’s possible to buy one online from NL, CZ, the UK if it has EU roaming, etc.
- to-too-two 4y ago
  You can hate the King with a passion but still pay your taxes. Sometimes people feel like they barely have a choice and can hate them in-part for that too. I hate Verizon and Comcast with a passion but if it’s between them or no internet access, well I hardly call that a choice.
  - dozgon 4y ago
    I would like to use a Google-free phone. However, online banking apps (e.g., N26) require you to have a mainstream phone (Android/iOS). You can't have root access, since apparently those banking apps won't work then. You need to have a SIM card as well, and you need to identify yourself when purchasing one. I really hate all that. At this point, I dream to live without smart technology as much as possible. Living mostly with "dumb tech". "Smart" ain't smart for us, it seems, it is for the benefit of those companies (e.g. Samsung TV's). More control, I suppose. Can you install uBlock Origin on a Samsung TV? Furthermore, Samsung phones come with bloat, and you can't even remove them easily.
    - nix0n 4y ago
      Samsung is just as bad as you say, but there's about a dozen other manufacturers of Android phones.
    - arran-nz 4y ago
      I have LineageOS without any Google services, on a Asus Zenfone 8. Recent versions of N26 work fine. It's the perfect phone, with an aux port too!
- sosodev 4y ago
  I think you might be understating "minor annoyance". I don't like Amazon but I often buy niche products from them because I'll get them in days instead of months.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  Minor annoyance? Android is becoming just as much of a locked down walled garden as iOS. Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones. If I must be in one of these little walled gardens, I'm choosing the better kept one. It sure as hell isn't Google's.
  - preisschild 4y ago
    > Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones My phone is not rooted, but I use GrapheneOS on my Google Pixel for security hardening and to not have the google rootkit installed. Funnily enough, even my banking app works, but not my countries eID system. I imagine in a few years voting will be hard due to this bs ;(
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      Yeah, running GrapheneOS will cause remote attestation to fail, rooted or not. Because it's done in hardware, software like Magisk will be unable to fake the attestation. It's complete bullshit.
- ksec 4y ago
  Had their been a third choice. Something not Android or iOS and may be preferably not American ( or Silicon Valley ) I would have switched.
aendruk 4y ago
> So I guess you win Apple You can still push back against the bubble elitism: Settings → Messages → iMessage Off. My bubble’s not turning blue until Android users can participate.
- AustinDev 4y ago
  This works if you're ok with sending all your messages in cleartext over your phone's radio.
  - aendruk 4y ago
    No, you still choose a secure messenger—just one that’s available to everyone.
    - acedTrex 4y ago
      The people you are attempting to communicate with also have to choose that by the way. The hard part is convincing others
AustinDev 4y ago
I remember when Steve Jobs said it would be an open protocol.
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  You misremember. It was Facetime which Jobs promised Apple would make into an open standard, in 2010. He died the week before Apple released iMessage. "And we're going to take it all the way. We're going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we're going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." - Steve Jobs, 2010 WWDC Keynote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxf9tEXEKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxf9tEXEKQ
  - AustinDev 4y ago
    Oh dang. You're right. I misremembered it. Thanks for clarifying so I don't keep repeating it, haha.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  That was FaceTime, not iMessage, and FaceTime ran into patent issues which Apple lost in court, repeatedly, and so had to be reengineered in way that made it not work as an open protocol.
kirse 4y ago
Sony Xperia still offer a great experience. Near stock Android, regular updates, quality cameras.
- Kbelicius 4y ago
  And some of them have official sailfish support if you want to try something new.
RockRobotRock 4y ago
iPhones are amazing, and there are definitely a few brands of Android-based phones that also deserve to be called amazing. iMessage definitely helped, at a time when SMS sucked and nobody (not Google) was stepping in to improve the situation, but they also crush Androids in accessibility and ease of use all day. Something that gets teenagers hooked early...
to1y 4y ago
Is there some sort of troll farm apple campaign going on here? In my experience Apple has been much more troublesome, their walled garden pretty much guarantees bugs and errors and ofcourse the trademark throttling of CPU, battery, functionality in general when they think it's time for you to get a new phone, where's the die-hard fandom come from? My $340 Android works better than a $1000 iPhone. I admit they're actually better built phones, but Apple is shooting yourself in the foot and paying for the bullet.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > My $340 Android works better than a $1000 iPhone. You trolling? I've not had any of the random problems with my iPhone that you describe. And I feel like by now HN users, regardless of ideology, are well aware that the CPU throttling with a degraded battery was a sensible choice to prevent reboots, but was terribly handled and became a PR disaster.
  - dereg 4y ago
    It shocks me how much that supposed technically minded people regurgitate half truths in order to wage an ideological war against Apple. Whether it’s throttling, repairability, or the App Store, many of Apple’s decisions make a lot more sense when you observe them as products of tradeoffs. One may not like which side of the tradeoff spectrum that Apple chose, that’s fine, but it’s preposterous to pretend like we live in a world in which they do not exist.
  - Sirened 4y ago
    HN has the absolute worst combo of people who are very technical but without the domain expertise to actually understand the limits of what they know. Lots of software people making wild ass conjectures about semiconductors and CPU architecture...
    - pb7 4y ago
      I’ll one up you. I contend people here are simply average even in their domain of expertise, let alone anything outside of it. It’s not a special hideout for geniuses, it’s a generic forum not unlike Reddit. The only reason it appears the way that it does is via selective moderation.
endtime 4y ago
Have you tried a Pixel? I've been happily using them for years.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  Pixels have unusually high rates of hardware and software problems over time. The reliability isn't there. The current issue of the month is random failure to call emergency services. If you randomly experience this problem, you could call 911 over and over, dozens of times, without success. It also doesn't matter if you have 4/4 bars. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/y039zn/i_compiled_all_the_pixel_911emergency_call/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/y039zn/i_compi... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/rfld6m/comment/hoix3j7/?context=999 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/rfld6m/comment... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/x5ea32/life_and_death_down_to_a_software_glitch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/x5ea32/life_an... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/wpirx8/had_an_emergency_pixel_6a_would_not_dial_000/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/wpirx8/had_an_... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/v1enh5/cannot_dial_911_from_my_pixel_6_trying_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/v1enh5/cannot_... https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/176875269/why-wouldn-t-my-pixel-6-call-and-connect-to-911?hl=en https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/176875269/why-w...
  - sosodev 4y ago
    I don't know why you're being downvoted. They most certainly have had historically poor build quality. My Pixel 2 began boot looping after a couple of years of use and apparently that was motherboard quality issue that had been around since the Nexus line. I got a replacement and it happened again after another few months. Google "Pixel 2 bootloop" and you'll find thousands of threads from people with this issue. That was around four years ago. I switched to an iPhone 11 and have had a fraction of the problems that I had with Android phones.
    - LocalPCGuy 4y ago
rootusrootus 4y ago
> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPhone is the lower TCO and more appliance-like nature of the phone. I have enough tech toys to play with every day, I don't need my phone to be one of them.
- beckingz 4y ago
  Lower total cost of ownership? For an iPhone? That does not check out unless you're buying the extra fancy android phones.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    Absolutely. iPhones have a much better resale value if you replace them every two or three years. And if you just want to keep them until they die, they receive updates for maybe 10 years. I've never lost more money on phones than when I was buying flagship Android phones. You might be able to spend less if you buy the crappiest Android phones. But that's not even a little bit comparable to the cheapest iPhone.
  - mr_toad 4y ago
    iPhones last longer. The 8 and the X are 5 years old and still compatible with the latest iOS. You don’t get that lifespan on Android.
- dzikimarian 4y ago
  It might be worth to mention that people inside Apple also agree with that speculation. They even directly mention outcome with kids. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
- laundermaf 4y ago
rr888 4y ago
> I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. I think this is the real reason for kids using iphone, most a seeeded with parent's castoffs. If your parents are android users the phone is probably broken. :)
currenciessfe 4y ago
What 100000 choices? There are basically 6 Android phones. Of which only one matters - the Samsung Galaxy in it's 2 biggest sizes. So basically you need to pick between 2 Samsung phones, the major difference being size.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  Wow, that's an intense level of myopia right there. There are lots and lots (and lots) of people who don't need a Galaxy. Take my wife for example. Entirely happy (or as happy as you can with any contemporary portable computing device) with her old LG Aristo 5, it started failing a few weeks back, and we replaced it with a T-Mobile Revvl 6 Pro 5G. $219. Entirely adequate phone for her, and for most the people we know. Yeah, I'm an old, and I don't personally use a cell phone of any kind.
  - currenciessfe 4y ago
    No, the point was that if you don't want to choose between 100000 androids you buy the Galaxy which is the iPhone equivalent.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
      I don't know how anyone would interpret what you wrote in that way, but OK, fine.
- preisschild 4y ago
  Google Pixels with GrapheneOS installed are great too.
- sofixa 4y ago
  What about Google's Pixels, Sony's Xperias, Oppo/OnePlus, Xiaomi? There's plenty of choice, but that's a good thing. You can decide if you want to spend $100 extra for that waterproof model, or if a good enough camera is good enough.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
My next smartphone is gonna be an iPhone as well. Android is becoming ever more locked down, hardware attestation is already a thing and there's really no reason for apps to not require it. What's the point of putting up with Android's imperfections and Google's bullshit if my rooted and customized phone can't run the apps I need because I "tampered" with it? Might as well get an iPhone.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Because Android lets you run apps that iOS won't, including apps that you write yourself. Attestation is a security issue. If there's some useful feature you can't get on Android, that is a permission issue. It is silly to throw permissions out the window and allow apps to do absolutely anything. Instead, make an appropriate permission.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    It's not permissions, those are fine. It's apps being able to tell the difference between a corporation's operating system and my own customized system. They should not be able to tell the difference. Unfortunately, hardware remote attestation makes it possible for them to know. Now apps will insist that you run the unmodified corporation's software. Bank apps will require attestation because of "fraud". WhatsApp will require attestation because of "terms of service". Streaming apps will require attestation because of "piracy". Games will require attestation because of "cheating". Every app in the Play Store will find a bullshit reason to require it and the result is we can't use their software if we own the machine. We're all hostile users and the only way they'll allow us to use their services is if we cede control to the corporations who lock everything down and spy on us. It's a heavy blow to mobile computing freedom. It wasn't that great to begin with but this makes it even worse.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      > They should not be able to tell the difference. And why not? If it's tampered with, it could have been tampered with by a malicious actor who can now lift your bank keys from the device. Ultimately, it is about permissions. You modified your OS to do something you couldn't do on an OS that wasn't tampered with. If instead, the thing you wanted to do was available behind an appropriate permission, you wouldn't have had to modify your OS to begin with.
seydor 4y ago
how do you know that iphone works?
devoutsalsa 4y ago
Apparently Android is the new Open Social.
Markoff 4y ago
What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X or Pixel 6A for instance? S22 would be also nice phone if it were not for not so great battery life (and most of the people won't notice slow shutter). There are plenty of great phones depending on what's your requirements, now if you want SMALL Android phone you have very limited options with lots of compromises usually, if you don't care about size too much there are plenty of good options.
- Avamander 4y ago
  > What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X [...] Does that Xiaomi model come without ads? The fact that I even have to ask that is an indicator on its own. > What sucks about [...] Pixel 6A for instance? But what's better? The price is pretty much the same.
  - Markoff 4y ago
    Yes, there are no ads in Xiaomi phones, nobody force you to use preinstalled Xiaomi apps and there are no ads if you pay attention during setup and don't just click Next but read what's shown on screen. Brand new iPhone cost 380EUR without any plan same as 6A? Provide please link, I will make tons of money reselling them, thank you.
    - Avamander 4y ago
      > Yes, there are no ads in Xiaomi phones [...] if you pay attention during setup and don't just click Next but read what's shown on screen Enough said.
      - Markoff 4y ago
        > As it stands, Apple currently serves up ads in the likes of the App Store, News and Stocks apps https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphones-are-reportedly-getting-a-lot-more-ads-and-thats-a-terrible-idea https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphones-are-reportedly-gettin... Yeah, because Apple apps don't have ads. Enough said.
saiya-jin 4y ago
We went through exactly this 2 months ago, I motivated her to buy Iphone 13 mini, first Apple products between both of us ever. We both regret it at this point sourly, its a properly shitty overpriced device with decent (but not extraordinary) photos. Compared to any average android for half that price its - fugly and looks cheaply, too thick, too thick black borders on screen, properly fugly and dysfunctional front notch camera (faceid doesn't work half the time, ie when its dimmer, with masks etc), you will lose pattern unlock for good, there is no fingerprint scanner under the display, battery is average (meaning really not impressive despite thickness like its 2015). Apple supports only basic bluetooth protocol so any properly good headphones will have slightly worse sound. iOS is fast but rather poorly architected (I understand a lot of this is down to what folks are used to, but stuff she showed me that annoys her is outright poor engineering and step down from current Android in usability). The way its done and architected insults your intellect constantly, "we know better what you want/need than you, and you have no say/options". You can argue its not for power users, but my wife is exactly that - just a normal user who just wants to use the phone. For long term android user devices like comparable Samsung galaxy is simply much nicer device to use. She likes her 5 year old Samsung much more than new Apple. So much for wow factor. At this point we both regret getting it, she for paying for it and me for recommending it. The only benefit is decent resale value. Since this is mostly US forum I expect to be grilled for this, but this is proper long term android user's point of view, who gave recently Apple device a chance and regrets it.

jacooper 4y ago

Hmmm, this probably will change when the Digital Markets Act starts.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.

hotpotamus 4y ago
I mean, if you hate Apple and Google, you don't have a whole lot of other options. I'm vaguely aware of some competitors, but they're quite obscure. And I don't think going without a smartphone is all that feasible either these days.
- dozgon 4y ago
  Yep, for me, it is banking. N26 (Europe) requires you to have a smartphone and a SIM card. Obtaining a SIM card means that you need to identify yourself. You can't just have a smartphone. The OS needs to be unrooted and also mainstream (iOS/Android). This really sucks. Furthermore, Google and Discord lock your accounts, if you don't provide a phone number. The alternative might be to use an Android/iOS just for banking. Another Android/iOS for services such as Google (Play store). And a Librem or any other open source phone as your daily driver. Or, just live with a "dumb phone" or no additional phone. I am not sure about the SIM card. Is it even possible within the EU to buy one without identification?
  - gattilorenz 4y ago
    > Is it even possible within the EU to buy one without identification? If it’s a prepaid one, sure. Just go to the supermarket in NL and get one for 10€, pay with cash.
    - vinay427 4y ago
      Obviously, if you’re in one of the many EU countries that require identification (even if simpler than Germany’s video identification system) it’s not trivial to go to a supermarket in NL. I imagine it’s possible to buy one online from NL, CZ, the UK if it has EU roaming, etc.
to-too-two 4y ago
You can hate the King with a passion but still pay your taxes. Sometimes people feel like they barely have a choice and can hate them in-part for that too. I hate Verizon and Comcast with a passion but if it’s between them or no internet access, well I hardly call that a choice.
- dozgon 4y ago
  I would like to use a Google-free phone. However, online banking apps (e.g., N26) require you to have a mainstream phone (Android/iOS). You can't have root access, since apparently those banking apps won't work then. You need to have a SIM card as well, and you need to identify yourself when purchasing one. I really hate all that. At this point, I dream to live without smart technology as much as possible. Living mostly with "dumb tech". "Smart" ain't smart for us, it seems, it is for the benefit of those companies (e.g. Samsung TV's). More control, I suppose. Can you install uBlock Origin on a Samsung TV? Furthermore, Samsung phones come with bloat, and you can't even remove them easily.
  - nix0n 4y ago
    Samsung is just as bad as you say, but there's about a dozen other manufacturers of Android phones.
  - arran-nz 4y ago
    I have LineageOS without any Google services, on a Asus Zenfone 8. Recent versions of N26 work fine. It's the perfect phone, with an aux port too!
sosodev 4y ago
I think you might be understating "minor annoyance". I don't like Amazon but I often buy niche products from them because I'll get them in days instead of months.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
Minor annoyance? Android is becoming just as much of a locked down walled garden as iOS. Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones. If I must be in one of these little walled gardens, I'm choosing the better kept one. It sure as hell isn't Google's.
- preisschild 4y ago
  > Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones My phone is not rooted, but I use GrapheneOS on my Google Pixel for security hardening and to not have the google rootkit installed. Funnily enough, even my banking app works, but not my countries eID system. I imagine in a few years voting will be hard due to this bs ;(
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    Yeah, running GrapheneOS will cause remote attestation to fail, rooted or not. Because it's done in hardware, software like Magisk will be unable to fake the attestation. It's complete bullshit.
ksec 4y ago
Had their been a third choice. Something not Android or iOS and may be preferably not American ( or Silicon Valley ) I would have switched.

aendruk 4y ago

> So I guess you win Apple You can still push back against the bubble elitism: Settings → Messages → iMessage Off. My bubble’s not turning blue until Android users can participate.

AustinDev 4y ago
This works if you're ok with sending all your messages in cleartext over your phone's radio.
- aendruk 4y ago
  No, you still choose a secure messenger—just one that’s available to everyone.
  - acedTrex 4y ago
    The people you are attempting to communicate with also have to choose that by the way. The hard part is convincing others

AustinDev 4y ago

I remember when Steve Jobs said it would be an open protocol.

tomjakubowski 4y ago
You misremember. It was Facetime which Jobs promised Apple would make into an open standard, in 2010. He died the week before Apple released iMessage. "And we're going to take it all the way. We're going to the standards bodies, starting tomorrow, and we're going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." - Steve Jobs, 2010 WWDC Keynote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxf9tEXEKQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxf9tEXEKQ
- AustinDev 4y ago
  Oh dang. You're right. I misremembered it. Thanks for clarifying so I don't keep repeating it, haha.
pwinnski 4y ago
That was FaceTime, not iMessage, and FaceTime ran into patent issues which Apple lost in court, repeatedly, and so had to be reengineered in way that made it not work as an open protocol.

kirse 4y ago

Sony Xperia still offer a great experience. Near stock Android, regular updates, quality cameras.

Kbelicius 4y ago
And some of them have official sailfish support if you want to try something new.

RockRobotRock 4y ago

iPhones are amazing, and there are definitely a few brands of Android-based phones that also deserve to be called amazing. iMessage definitely helped, at a time when SMS sucked and nobody (not Google) was stepping in to improve the situation, but they also crush Androids in accessibility and ease of use all day. Something that gets teenagers hooked early...

to1y 4y ago

Is there some sort of troll farm apple campaign going on here? In my experience Apple has been much more troublesome, their walled garden pretty much guarantees bugs and errors and ofcourse the trademark throttling of CPU, battery, functionality in general when they think it's time for you to get a new phone, where's the die-hard fandom come from? My $340 Android works better than a $1000 iPhone. I admit they're actually better built phones, but Apple is shooting yourself in the foot and paying for the bullet.

rootusrootus 4y ago
> My $340 Android works better than a $1000 iPhone. You trolling? I've not had any of the random problems with my iPhone that you describe. And I feel like by now HN users, regardless of ideology, are well aware that the CPU throttling with a degraded battery was a sensible choice to prevent reboots, but was terribly handled and became a PR disaster.
- dereg 4y ago
  It shocks me how much that supposed technically minded people regurgitate half truths in order to wage an ideological war against Apple. Whether it’s throttling, repairability, or the App Store, many of Apple’s decisions make a lot more sense when you observe them as products of tradeoffs. One may not like which side of the tradeoff spectrum that Apple chose, that’s fine, but it’s preposterous to pretend like we live in a world in which they do not exist.
- Sirened 4y ago
  HN has the absolute worst combo of people who are very technical but without the domain expertise to actually understand the limits of what they know. Lots of software people making wild ass conjectures about semiconductors and CPU architecture...
  - pb7 4y ago
    I’ll one up you. I contend people here are simply average even in their domain of expertise, let alone anything outside of it. It’s not a special hideout for geniuses, it’s a generic forum not unlike Reddit. The only reason it appears the way that it does is via selective moderation.

endtime 4y ago

Have you tried a Pixel? I've been happily using them for years.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
Pixels have unusually high rates of hardware and software problems over time. The reliability isn't there. The current issue of the month is random failure to call emergency services. If you randomly experience this problem, you could call 911 over and over, dozens of times, without success. It also doesn't matter if you have 4/4 bars. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/y039zn/i_compiled_all_the_pixel_911emergency_call/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/y039zn/i_compi... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/rfld6m/comment/hoix3j7/?context=999 https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/rfld6m/comment... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/x5ea32/life_and_death_down_to_a_software_glitch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/x5ea32/life_an... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/wpirx8/had_an_emergency_pixel_6a_would_not_dial_000/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/wpirx8/had_an_... https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/v1enh5/cannot_dial_911_from_my_pixel_6_trying_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/v1enh5/cannot_... https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/176875269/why-wouldn-t-my-pixel-6-call-and-connect-to-911?hl=en https://support.google.com/pixelphone/thread/176875269/why-w...
- sosodev 4y ago
  I don't know why you're being downvoted. They most certainly have had historically poor build quality. My Pixel 2 began boot looping after a couple of years of use and apparently that was motherboard quality issue that had been around since the Nexus line. I got a replacement and it happened again after another few months. Google "Pixel 2 bootloop" and you'll find thousands of threads from people with this issue. That was around four years ago. I switched to an iPhone 11 and have had a fraction of the problems that I had with Android phones.
  - LocalPCGuy 4y ago

rootusrootus 4y ago

> it's criminal that a vast reason they have so much market share is because of imessage and the fact that it's "broken" with SMS to some degree. That's just speculation, though. It's entirely plausible that the fundamental reason they have so much market share is because people agree with you: > I just want a phone that works. I've gone back and forth between Android and iPhone myself, and what draws me back to iPhone is the lower TCO and more appliance-like nature of the phone. I have enough tech toys to play with every day, I don't need my phone to be one of them.

beckingz 4y ago
Lower total cost of ownership? For an iPhone? That does not check out unless you're buying the extra fancy android phones.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Absolutely. iPhones have a much better resale value if you replace them every two or three years. And if you just want to keep them until they die, they receive updates for maybe 10 years. I've never lost more money on phones than when I was buying flagship Android phones. You might be able to spend less if you buy the crappiest Android phones. But that's not even a little bit comparable to the cheapest iPhone.
- mr_toad 4y ago
  iPhones last longer. The 8 and the X are 5 years old and still compatible with the latest iOS. You don’t get that lifespan on Android.
dzikimarian 4y ago
It might be worth to mention that people inside Apple also agree with that speculation. They even directly mention outcome with kids. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
laundermaf 4y ago

rr888 4y ago

> I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. I think this is the real reason for kids using iphone, most a seeeded with parent's castoffs. If your parents are android users the phone is probably broken. :)

currenciessfe 4y ago

What 100000 choices? There are basically 6 Android phones. Of which only one matters - the Samsung Galaxy in it's 2 biggest sizes. So basically you need to pick between 2 Samsung phones, the major difference being size.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
Wow, that's an intense level of myopia right there. There are lots and lots (and lots) of people who don't need a Galaxy. Take my wife for example. Entirely happy (or as happy as you can with any contemporary portable computing device) with her old LG Aristo 5, it started failing a few weeks back, and we replaced it with a T-Mobile Revvl 6 Pro 5G. $219. Entirely adequate phone for her, and for most the people we know. Yeah, I'm an old, and I don't personally use a cell phone of any kind.
- currenciessfe 4y ago
  No, the point was that if you don't want to choose between 100000 androids you buy the Galaxy which is the iPhone equivalent.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    I don't know how anyone would interpret what you wrote in that way, but OK, fine.
preisschild 4y ago
Google Pixels with GrapheneOS installed are great too.
sofixa 4y ago
What about Google's Pixels, Sony's Xperias, Oppo/OnePlus, Xiaomi? There's plenty of choice, but that's a good thing. You can decide if you want to spend $100 extra for that waterproof model, or if a good enough camera is good enough.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

My next smartphone is gonna be an iPhone as well. Android is becoming ever more locked down, hardware attestation is already a thing and there's really no reason for apps to not require it. What's the point of putting up with Android's imperfections and Google's bullshit if my rooted and customized phone can't run the apps I need because I "tampered" with it? Might as well get an iPhone.

lern_too_spel 4y ago
Because Android lets you run apps that iOS won't, including apps that you write yourself. Attestation is a security issue. If there's some useful feature you can't get on Android, that is a permission issue. It is silly to throw permissions out the window and allow apps to do absolutely anything. Instead, make an appropriate permission.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  It's not permissions, those are fine. It's apps being able to tell the difference between a corporation's operating system and my own customized system. They should not be able to tell the difference. Unfortunately, hardware remote attestation makes it possible for them to know. Now apps will insist that you run the unmodified corporation's software. Bank apps will require attestation because of "fraud". WhatsApp will require attestation because of "terms of service". Streaming apps will require attestation because of "piracy". Games will require attestation because of "cheating". Every app in the Play Store will find a bullshit reason to require it and the result is we can't use their software if we own the machine. We're all hostile users and the only way they'll allow us to use their services is if we cede control to the corporations who lock everything down and spy on us. It's a heavy blow to mobile computing freedom. It wasn't that great to begin with but this makes it even worse.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    > They should not be able to tell the difference. And why not? If it's tampered with, it could have been tampered with by a malicious actor who can now lift your bank keys from the device. Ultimately, it is about permissions. You modified your OS to do something you couldn't do on an OS that wasn't tampered with. If instead, the thing you wanted to do was available behind an appropriate permission, you wouldn't have had to modify your OS to begin with.

seydor 4y ago

how do you know that iphone works?

devoutsalsa 4y ago

Apparently Android is the new Open Social.

Markoff 4y ago

What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X or Pixel 6A for instance? S22 would be also nice phone if it were not for not so great battery life (and most of the people won't notice slow shutter). There are plenty of great phones depending on what's your requirements, now if you want SMALL Android phone you have very limited options with lots of compromises usually, if you don't care about size too much there are plenty of good options.

Avamander 4y ago
> What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X [...] Does that Xiaomi model come without ads? The fact that I even have to ask that is an indicator on its own. > What sucks about [...] Pixel 6A for instance? But what's better? The price is pretty much the same.
- Markoff 4y ago
  Yes, there are no ads in Xiaomi phones, nobody force you to use preinstalled Xiaomi apps and there are no ads if you pay attention during setup and don't just click Next but read what's shown on screen. Brand new iPhone cost 380EUR without any plan same as 6A? Provide please link, I will make tons of money reselling them, thank you.
  - Avamander 4y ago
    > Yes, there are no ads in Xiaomi phones [...] if you pay attention during setup and don't just click Next but read what's shown on screen Enough said.
    - Markoff 4y ago
      > As it stands, Apple currently serves up ads in the likes of the App Store, News and Stocks apps https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphones-are-reportedly-getting-a-lot-more-ads-and-thats-a-terrible-idea https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphones-are-reportedly-gettin... Yeah, because Apple apps don't have ads. Enough said.

saiya-jin 4y ago

We went through exactly this 2 months ago, I motivated her to buy Iphone 13 mini, first Apple products between both of us ever. We both regret it at this point sourly, its a properly shitty overpriced device with decent (but not extraordinary) photos. Compared to any average android for half that price its - fugly and looks cheaply, too thick, too thick black borders on screen, properly fugly and dysfunctional front notch camera (faceid doesn't work half the time, ie when its dimmer, with masks etc), you will lose pattern unlock for good, there is no fingerprint scanner under the display, battery is average (meaning really not impressive despite thickness like its 2015). Apple supports only basic bluetooth protocol so any properly good headphones will have slightly worse sound. iOS is fast but rather poorly architected (I understand a lot of this is down to what folks are used to, but stuff she showed me that annoys her is outright poor engineering and step down from current Android in usability). The way its done and architected insults your intellect constantly, "we know better what you want/need than you, and you have no say/options". You can argue its not for power users, but my wife is exactly that - just a normal user who just wants to use the phone. For long term android user devices like comparable Samsung galaxy is simply much nicer device to use. She likes her 5 year old Samsung much more than new Apple. So much for wow factor. At this point we both regret getting it, she for paying for it and me for recommending it. The only benefit is decent resale value. Since this is mostly US forum I expect to be grilled for this, but this is proper long term android user's point of view, who gave recently Apple device a chance and regrets it.