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What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? According to the same report, Nike is the most pref
by threatofrain 4y ago
What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? According to the same report, Nike is the most preferred fashion brand among teens.
At least with Apple's message indication you know you're getting encryption and thus privacy from carriers. Would it be less problematic if Apple simply mentioned "warning: this is unencrypted SMS"?
- camhart 4y agoOnly reason its not encrypted is because Apple won't allow it to be.
- gleenn 4y agoCitation needed. Is this really true? I keep hearing about RCS etc but I also keep hearing it's not actually a good standard. Not even sure it does encryption frankly.
- iamthirsty 4y agoYou haven't looked that much into it then; RCS has encryption[0], and works great for me. (I have an iPhone 13 Pro & a Pixel 6 Pro. RCS works as well as iMessage for Android-to-Android devices, for me.) [0]: https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf https://www.gstatic.com/messages/papers/messages_e2ee.pdf
- threatofrain 4y agoIs that RCS having encryption or is that Google providing an extension to RCS only with their Messages app? And to what degree does RCS with encryption have buy-in from American carriers?
- iamthirsty 4y agoRCS is an open source protocol that can be run by different 'operators'[0]. So it's not so much as an extension, as Google's implementation of the protocol (which is open source and can be added by other operators). [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services
- est31 4y agoThere is nobody preventing Apple from developing an Android app for iMessage. They already have a bunch of apps on the play store, including one for Apple TV, Beats, and a migration app for iOS. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Apple https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Apple
- Retric 4y agoApple can’t provide the same assurance that an android app is secured. The degree that matters is of course debatable, but it is one of their talking points.
- hatsix 4y agoApple can't provide assurance that browsers are secured, but they allow for iMessage in browsers.
- Retric 4y agoLast I checked you can’t send an iMessage from a windows browser only read messages you had personally uploaded to iCloud. Presumably they run security tests on 3rd party Mac browsers, it’s a major security concern.
- bell-cot 4y agoNobody really preventing GM from developing OnStar systems for Ford, Toyota, VW, etc. cars, either.
- conductr 4y agoMy power tools have proprietary battery's too. I buy the same brand over and over because of owning batteries already. This type of stuff is just business 101 and it’s not exactly meant to be in anyone but the company’s best interest. It can be seen in almost all industries.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
- spacedcowboy 4y agoRCS (as in: the standardized version) isn’t encrypted. Google’s proprietary extensions to RCS provide the encryption layer [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services
- Alupis 4y agoIt's the same old story of perfect being the enemy of good (plus clear ulterior motives for Apple). Adding RCS compatibility would negatively impact precisely zero iPhone users, and would positively impact literally everyone (including iPhone users!). RCS may have its warts, but I do not see Apple proposing a better standard? Everyone agrees SMS/MMS is about as bad as it can be... and there's already a lot of industry buy-in outside of Apple for supporting RCS. Get with the program Apple...
- fyvhbhn 4y agoVisit matrix.org for a better standard
- camhart 4y ago> https://www.android.com/get-the-message/ https://www.android.com/get-the-message/ RCS is supported by most carriers, and over 500 device manufacturers. But not Apple.
- sbuk 4y ago*Only in the US. It has some adoption outside the US.
- CogitoCogito 4y agoApple is free to open the iMessage ecosystem if they'd like to allow Android to send encrypted messages to iPhones as well. The truth is that Apple isn't doing this to help customers identify unencrypted messages. They are doing this for the network effect.
- reaperducer 4y agoThey are doing this for the network effect. This is what people in the hate-Apple echo chamber like to chant, but it's wrong. When Apple started doing it, there was no network effect. The color choice was made years before everyone started freaking out about green and blue bubbles. It was done to show that a message went over SMS, and not iMessage at a time when many Americans paid for each SMS sent, but iMessages were data, and thus included in data plans. Blue=free Green=10¢ It served as a warning that you were spending money. I suspect that's why it's green.
- xcrunner529 4y agoBefore iMessage (yes it existed) all text messages were green. Blue denoted iMessage. There was no evil plan from Apple like bloggers love to conceive for attention - it’s merely what was originally chosen and they wanted to differentiate iMessage when they released it.
- meragrin_ 4y agoYou know why they wanted to differentiate iMessage? It caused issues with SMS. They knew it. They wanted an easy out for the incompatibilities. It is a problem with the "plebs" not Apple. The "plebs" were just holding their phones wrong. After all, even iPhone users don't know how to hold their phone. How can "plebs" be expected to know how to hold their phones if iPhone user can't? Apple could fix this if they wanted to, but they don't want to. They know it sells phones. It is intentional.
- xcrunner529 4y ago
- yamazakiwi 4y agoBecause wearing Nike's doesn't visually highlight every person's shoes on the basketball court that doesn't have Nikes.
- setr 4y agoSure they do; that’s what the big logo is for
- yamazakiwi 4y agoThey highlight themselves but they don't highlight other shoes in a negative light.
- setr 4y agoI’m not sure how you can reasonably argue that the chosen shade of green is a negative light on android texts. Any negativity is generated by the social systems interacting with it — the colors, and logos, just give enough information for those social systems to differentiate, and qualify, and judge your usage of, these objects. Apple hasn’t done much of anything to say android texts are bad… they’ve just said they’re not iPhone texts (and iPhone—>iPhone has better texting). Everyone else came along and said android is for poor people, and used those green bubbles as a signal to act on — just the same as using the logo to judge your shoes.
- yamazakiwi 4y agoApple knew this would happen and promoted that social behavior on purpose.
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- dwild 4y ago> What is the difference to Nike providing kids with flashy shoes when the sole purpose is class and coolness? Maybe what Nike is doing is just as bad...
- kaba0 4y agoWell, should we mandate grey boxes for every item out there, with a bland label differentiating them from each other only? Actually, from an environmental standpoint I would be okay with doing that for food items/detergent/etc. Mandate the same form factor and just wash them out and reuse. But for clothing items it hardly makes sense, as a big part of you buying that is exactly the different look.
- fyvhbhn 4y agoHow do you know that? Because apple says so? Key exchange happens through apple. App is proprietary and as far as I know the apple devices upload to the apple cloud in a way that makes apple able to read the messages by default.