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I’ve never been able to negotiate a damn thing with my employer. There’s no such thing as individual negotiation except on the day you get an offer letter, and
by dangus 4y ago
I’ve never been able to negotiate a damn thing with my employer. There’s no such thing as individual negotiation except on the day you get an offer letter, and that’s if you’re lucky enough to be an in-demand professional worker.
This is retail we are talking about here. Do any of you remember what it’s like to work hourly jobs? I’ll say it one more time: there’s no such thing as negotiation.
“For every good union story out there there are an equal amount of bad stories” seems like a false equivalency. All I see is union members on average making better compensation than non-union employees. The numbers do not lie. [1]
Apple knew this news story will read exactly like it’s reading when it took the actions it took. Giving non-union employees something visible like this is a well-known union busting tactic. They want people thinking of unionizing to feel bad for not getting some relatively worthless perks.
Meanwhile, Apple’s unionized store will be able negotiate far better benefits than non-unionized stores, the kinds of “perks” that matter like better hourly pay and healthcare, not some one-time benefit that’s arguably just a tool for the job.
The pitch against unions in America works just the same as the concept of “temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
“You don’t want all this scary union bureaucracy because you’re so above average that the union’s contract is going to hold you back.”
It’s a lie.
[1] [PDF] nonunion employees make 83% of the salary that union employees make: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf
- bsder 4y agoNon-union employees also make more when in proximity to unions. See: states without "right-to-work" laws.
- dangus 4y agoDo you have some data to back up that statement? Because I provided government data on the issue. “In proximity to unions” …do you mean management?
- bsder 4y ago"“Right-to-Work” States Still Have Lower Wages" https://www.epi.org/publication/right-to-work-states-have-lower-wages/ https://www.epi.org/publication/right-to-work-states-have-lo...
- dangus 4y agoCorrect, because right to work is anti-union anti-worker and bad policy. I'm really confused on what you're trying to say.
- robocat 4y ago> nonunion employees make 83% of the salary that union employees make This is usually mentioned as though unions cause higher salary, but it could be bias causing correlation. I did some quick googling and I didn’t find anything that clearly shows causation. Of course assuming causation is probably the safe average move if considering joining a union, although one’s specific circumstances likely matters most in any decision.
- dangus 4y agoSo, for real, you’re going to come here and suggest the data I provided might be subject to correlation bias and then immediately say that you couldn’t find any evidence when you searched for it? What’s the value in that? I will say, the link I provided does say that unions are more prominent in certain industries, but to me that actually isn’t that much of a bias without further data. What that shows me is that working in an industry with unionization gets you paid more, on average.