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Punitive damages were a large fraction of the award.

tptacek 4y ago
Are you sure about that? The jury recommended punitive damages, but as I understand it, in Connecticut the judge decides the punitive damage amounts in a later trial phase. I think today's number includes no punitive damages.
- cjohnson318 4y ago
  And oh boy has he not been cooperative with the judge so far.
gnopgnip 4y ago
The $965m is entirely economic damages. Punitive damages will be added later
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  If that's true, I'd love to see how exactly they calculated that.
  - shagie 4y ago
    The breakdown of the damages - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-damages.html?unlocked_article_code=aWQWThgc7xsEoP9Gnnwx-lyofZKYF9UOWfzDJrIbXu1LB5JUR7sDGKaysm2kMhBVsqbBnTzJGAcgqpg0XNudely7gnnXniEPe4NwhUiDld5sTbEAqyH5Y3WwJowS767Acm7fG6-jdVzhqE3qDi-kU3Hh4yEP9Jf6PHztYGDnS4Jc2KxWDd3OdHPAV-XmKooqZ1zbqh0svua2LaHTpUgDDM3hxK4iBcGoXdzMEy19IZY9y3VrlUq6VlS7WokmkB0J1AZu0zwJtonhsIdDUTkrmFnYXHlX_XI5QG11Jcr1oo5GZkMEmBXCuLpj49mzipyVeJOOqCrPkmyCvYVxlviTGw&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-da...
    - Cyberdog 4y ago
      > Defamation/slander damages, past and future: $60 million That's not much of a breakdown, and if anything it seems to go against the idea that these dollar amounts aren't punitive. Are we supposed to assume that that particular plaintiff would have been $60 million richer if Jones hadn't had said what he said? Ridiculous. The emotional distress damages are more subjective, of course, but I still don't see the amounts as any less punitive at this point.
shagie 4y ago
Punitive damages are a different (forthcoming) hearing. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/12/us/alex-jones-verdict-sandy-hook?unlocked_article_code=GA-tXTqJX_R6JVKV03tL71UG_xTUdh_NgWSYCm3eE9KSo6XiNu-Veu5YW-W6ewe-KVSzz1LGj5JtFrSVbxQQwV2bDaTKdGgLk1koRHnfYlsUAEiKob6qNOUC_fT2jZBvrXcqF4qtqPt_6wRHGhe5B0WFFNWYz_ezMUJrPN0MDJhA4zGPWTdtkOIHi72ojruBg5O8WgUipm2YfoopOSjTWs1wyHnQPCNf9x9SUL95tYfjewStz7M_xJOY1wxaW7RmUeqiEv7R44k6mQyPWSdgCV8w3kEypnyDQ5AhAC7TUOK-kja_6rs0Kbvr5k-jEjuwe30WVnw1HjFwio93CBSNchmBe1JOCBeTi9IN&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/12/us/alex-jones-verdic... > This case presented the greatest financial risk to Mr. Jones, because he was found liable of violating Connecticut’s Unfair Trade Practices Act, by using lies about the shooting to sell products on Infowars. There is no cap on punitive damages under that law. > ... > The next step will be for the judge to consider punitive damages, which would be in addition to Wednesday’s verdict. The article How the jury divided $965 million in damages among the plaintiffs in the case. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-damages.html?unlocked_article_code=aWQWThgc7xsEoP9Gnnwx-lyofZKYF9UOWfzDJrIbXu1LB5JUR7sDGKaysm2kMhBVsqbBnTzJGAcgqpg0XNudely7gnnXniEPe4NwhUiDld5sTbEAqyH5Y3WwJowS767Acm7fG6-jdVzhqE3qDi-kU3Hh4yEP9Jf6PHztYGDnS4Jc2KxWDd3OdHPAV-XmKooqZ1zbqh0svua2LaHTpUgDDM3hxK4iBcGoXdzMEy19IZY9y3VrlUq6VlS7WokmkB0J1AZu0zwJtonhsIdDUTkrmFnYXHlX_XI5QG11Jcr1oo5GZkMEmBXCuLpj49mzipyVeJOOqCrPkmyCvYVxlviTGw&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-da... This has a breakdown of the compensatory damages and you get things like: > Defamation/slander damages, past and future: $60 million > Emotional distress damages, past and future: $60 million > Total damages: $120 million for one defendant. As there were 14 defendants, this can sum up quite quickly.

Are you sure about that? The jury recommended punitive damages, but as I understand it, in Connecticut the judge decides the punitive damage amounts in a later trial phase. I think today's number includes no punitive damages.

cjohnson318 4y ago
And oh boy has he not been cooperative with the judge so far.

gnopgnip 4y ago

The $965m is entirely economic damages. Punitive damages will be added later

Cyberdog 4y ago
If that's true, I'd love to see how exactly they calculated that.
- shagie 4y ago
  The breakdown of the damages - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-damages.html?unlocked_article_code=aWQWThgc7xsEoP9Gnnwx-lyofZKYF9UOWfzDJrIbXu1LB5JUR7sDGKaysm2kMhBVsqbBnTzJGAcgqpg0XNudely7gnnXniEPe4NwhUiDld5sTbEAqyH5Y3WwJowS767Acm7fG6-jdVzhqE3qDi-kU3Hh4yEP9Jf6PHztYGDnS4Jc2KxWDd3OdHPAV-XmKooqZ1zbqh0svua2LaHTpUgDDM3hxK4iBcGoXdzMEy19IZY9y3VrlUq6VlS7WokmkB0J1AZu0zwJtonhsIdDUTkrmFnYXHlX_XI5QG11Jcr1oo5GZkMEmBXCuLpj49mzipyVeJOOqCrPkmyCvYVxlviTGw&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-da...
  - Cyberdog 4y ago
    > Defamation/slander damages, past and future: $60 million That's not much of a breakdown, and if anything it seems to go against the idea that these dollar amounts aren't punitive. Are we supposed to assume that that particular plaintiff would have been $60 million richer if Jones hadn't had said what he said? Ridiculous. The emotional distress damages are more subjective, of course, but I still don't see the amounts as any less punitive at this point.

shagie 4y ago

Punitive damages are a different (forthcoming) hearing. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/12/us/alex-jones-verdict-sandy-hook?unlocked_article_code=GA-tXTqJX_R6JVKV03tL71UG_xTUdh_NgWSYCm3eE9KSo6XiNu-Veu5YW-W6ewe-KVSzz1LGj5JtFrSVbxQQwV2bDaTKdGgLk1koRHnfYlsUAEiKob6qNOUC_fT2jZBvrXcqF4qtqPt_6wRHGhe5B0WFFNWYz_ezMUJrPN0MDJhA4zGPWTdtkOIHi72ojruBg5O8WgUipm2YfoopOSjTWs1wyHnQPCNf9x9SUL95tYfjewStz7M_xJOY1wxaW7RmUeqiEv7R44k6mQyPWSdgCV8w3kEypnyDQ5AhAC7TUOK-kja_6rs0Kbvr5k-jEjuwe30WVnw1HjFwio93CBSNchmBe1JOCBeTi9IN&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/12/us/alex-jones-verdic... > This case presented the greatest financial risk to Mr. Jones, because he was found liable of violating Connecticut’s Unfair Trade Practices Act, by using lies about the shooting to sell products on Infowars. There is no cap on punitive damages under that law. > ... > The next step will be for the judge to consider punitive damages, which would be in addition to Wednesday’s verdict. The article How the jury divided $965 million in damages among the plaintiffs in the case. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-damages.html?unlocked_article_code=aWQWThgc7xsEoP9Gnnwx-lyofZKYF9UOWfzDJrIbXu1LB5JUR7sDGKaysm2kMhBVsqbBnTzJGAcgqpg0XNudely7gnnXniEPe4NwhUiDld5sTbEAqyH5Y3WwJowS767Acm7fG6-jdVzhqE3qDi-kU3Hh4yEP9Jf6PHztYGDnS4Jc2KxWDd3OdHPAV-XmKooqZ1zbqh0svua2LaHTpUgDDM3hxK4iBcGoXdzMEy19IZY9y3VrlUq6VlS7WokmkB0J1AZu0zwJtonhsIdDUTkrmFnYXHlX_XI5QG11Jcr1oo5GZkMEmBXCuLpj49mzipyVeJOOqCrPkmyCvYVxlviTGw&smid=share-url https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/12/us/politics/alex-jones-da... This has a breakdown of the compensatory damages and you get things like: > Defamation/slander damages, past and future: $60 million > Emotional distress damages, past and future: $60 million > Total damages: $120 million for one defendant. As there were 14 defendants, this can sum up quite quickly.