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Just use iMessage. It's not as secure as Signal since the server has the keys, but it's the easiest way to ensure that the majority of text messages you send ar

Just use iMessage. It's not as secure as Signal since the server has the keys, but it's the easiest way to ensure that the majority of text messages you send are encrypted. There was just an article that said that 88% of teens have an iPhone. That means that almost all of their communication is encrypted.

Melcupa 4y ago
So when the server has the key, how can you say it's encrypted? I mean in context of signal we don't just talk about some form of transport encryption but e2e
- MikeKusold 4y ago
  It's various levels of encryption that are acceptable depending on your risk level. I'm mainly concerned about SMS spoofing and mass surveillance. iMessage protects against that. The only way the government can read your messages is by serving Apple with a warrant to obtain your iCloud backup. If I had a lower risk tolerance, I would disable iCloud backups to improve my security.
  - chaxor 4y ago
    I don't think people are only concerned about the government, but rather the corporations that own your data (via storing the encryption key to use whenever they want, to look through whatever they want)
    - stormbrew 4y ago
      In the end signal and imessage (with backups off) provide roughly the same claimed guarantee here (on a technical level at least). They both promise not to secretly inject additional client keys into your account, (to at least obtain a forward-operating 'wire tap'), but the software you're running is all opaque and could certainly do so if they wanted (or were compelled) to.
  - Melcupa 4y ago
    I mean you followed Snowden right? I would argue that if you are relevant enough apple and sms are both equally easy to get for them. If we talk here about signal, I don't think the alternative should be iMessage but telegram etc.
    - MikeKusold 4y ago
      Anecdotal evidence, but I've never had someone ask me to join Telegram. In terms of encrypted messaging, the popularity in my friend group is: 1. iMessage 2. Signal 3. WhatsApp (only for talking to non-US people) 4. Matrix
Sirened 4y ago
fwiw, iMessage is actually E2E encrypted (without Apple storing the key) if you either don't have iCloud backup enabled OR don't enable "Message in the Cloud".

Melcupa 4y ago

So when the server has the key, how can you say it's encrypted? I mean in context of signal we don't just talk about some form of transport encryption but e2e

MikeKusold 4y ago
It's various levels of encryption that are acceptable depending on your risk level. I'm mainly concerned about SMS spoofing and mass surveillance. iMessage protects against that. The only way the government can read your messages is by serving Apple with a warrant to obtain your iCloud backup. If I had a lower risk tolerance, I would disable iCloud backups to improve my security.
- chaxor 4y ago
  I don't think people are only concerned about the government, but rather the corporations that own your data (via storing the encryption key to use whenever they want, to look through whatever they want)
  - stormbrew 4y ago
    In the end signal and imessage (with backups off) provide roughly the same claimed guarantee here (on a technical level at least). They both promise not to secretly inject additional client keys into your account, (to at least obtain a forward-operating 'wire tap'), but the software you're running is all opaque and could certainly do so if they wanted (or were compelled) to.
- Melcupa 4y ago
  I mean you followed Snowden right? I would argue that if you are relevant enough apple and sms are both equally easy to get for them. If we talk here about signal, I don't think the alternative should be iMessage but telegram etc.
  - MikeKusold 4y ago
    Anecdotal evidence, but I've never had someone ask me to join Telegram. In terms of encrypted messaging, the popularity in my friend group is: 1. iMessage 2. Signal 3. WhatsApp (only for talking to non-US people) 4. Matrix

Sirened 4y ago

fwiw, iMessage is actually E2E encrypted (without Apple storing the key) if you either don't have iCloud backup enabled OR don't enable "Message in the Cloud".