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Sorry but Im not a charity worker. Its great that you are priveleged enough that you are in a position where you can be, but I cant afford to accept working har

Sorry but Im not a charity worker. Its great that you are priveleged enough that you are in a position where you can be, but I cant afford to accept working harder to make up for less competent/lazier workers.

kbenson 4y ago
> less competent/lazier workers That's an extremely naive view of the people a union is intended to protect. Even a minimal amount of research, or even some simple pondering of the situations your fellow employees might find themselves in that benefit from a stronger work contract would lead to many other cases where a union has benefit. That's not to say a union is right for every company or job, but to think it only benefits those you outlined is just plain silly when any thought it put into it. If you really need some help in figuring out a beneficial case, consider what purpose insurance often serves, and also consider power imbalances when you have a bunch of individuals against one large unified opponent (when any negotiation can be considered adversarial under these conditions).
- ericb 4y ago
  > less competent/lazier workers Not the op, but that isn't naive. Did a short stint in a union shop. The day had more breaks than it did work in it. Me and the other new guy started cranking on our task list, and were told by our manager to "slow down or you'll work yourself out of a job."
  - kbenson 4y ago
    It's not naive to think that may be the case for some or that it happens. It's very naive to think that's the only reason for or result of unionizing, and it was presented as the only ting that matters enough to be mentioned.
bwestergard 4y ago
Do you know how much income the investors/managers in your firm are taking home? How does it compare to your income? Are they factoring in your time and stress when making big strategic decisions? I've had coworkers that didn't pull their weight in non-union shops that were able to skate by because they were buddies with a manager who played political games well. My union (CWA) is pushing at multiple workplaces to have a more objective review and hiring process. But the occasional struggling or unprepared coworker has affected me way less than instances of poor management.

kbenson 4y ago

> less competent/lazier workers That's an extremely naive view of the people a union is intended to protect. Even a minimal amount of research, or even some simple pondering of the situations your fellow employees might find themselves in that benefit from a stronger work contract would lead to many other cases where a union has benefit. That's not to say a union is right for every company or job, but to think it only benefits those you outlined is just plain silly when any thought it put into it. If you really need some help in figuring out a beneficial case, consider what purpose insurance often serves, and also consider power imbalances when you have a bunch of individuals against one large unified opponent (when any negotiation can be considered adversarial under these conditions).

ericb 4y ago
> less competent/lazier workers Not the op, but that isn't naive. Did a short stint in a union shop. The day had more breaks than it did work in it. Me and the other new guy started cranking on our task list, and were told by our manager to "slow down or you'll work yourself out of a job."
- kbenson 4y ago
  It's not naive to think that may be the case for some or that it happens. It's very naive to think that's the only reason for or result of unionizing, and it was presented as the only ting that matters enough to be mentioned.

bwestergard 4y ago

Do you know how much income the investors/managers in your firm are taking home? How does it compare to your income? Are they factoring in your time and stress when making big strategic decisions? I've had coworkers that didn't pull their weight in non-union shops that were able to skate by because they were buddies with a manager who played political games well. My union (CWA) is pushing at multiple workplaces to have a more objective review and hiring process. But the occasional struggling or unprepared coworker has affected me way less than instances of poor management.