6 ms·
> Microsoft ignoring AMD in their latest Surface lineup is a hint for the people looking for answers I think the entire new surface line-up is a giant conspira
by agloeregrets 4y ago
> Microsoft ignoring AMD in their latest Surface lineup is a hint for the people looking for answers
I think the entire new surface line-up is a giant conspiracy.
The Surface Pro 9 5G has a Qualcomm 8cx Gen 3 with some tweaks called the SQ3. It does not match the performance of 12 Gen intel in a 15w power envelope, which is important because the Surface Pro 9 non-5G (intel) uses an i5-1235u, a 15w chip. But the last Gen, the pro 8 used a 28w 11th gen part. This means that the y/y perfromance is actually about the same (but better power/heat). If they used a matching 28w CPU it would have been a much bigger jump comapred to the ARM SQ3 5G.
But then, it gets WAY weirder.
The new (FOUR THOUNSDAND DOLLAR) Surface Studio 2+ ? 11th gen laptop CPU (11370H)...which is as fast as SQ3 will be.
Surface Laptop 5? Exact same specs as Surface Pro 8.
Casual reminder that the now two year old Apple M1 still smokes every single chip I just mentioned, all in a fanless iPad Air. The would-be Surface Laptop AMD Ryzen 6800U would be right on par with M1...which would make that SQ3 look like a bad deal.
Microsoft is sandbagging the lineup for ARM.
- raverbashing 4y agoSo, it seems they're shooting themselves in the foot Surface pads do not seem to be too popular and might become even less now
- AshamedCaptain 4y agoPeople need to remember that desktop/laptop ARMs outside of Apple have kind of royally sucked... E.g. when the first Surface Pro ARM was released (the X, 2020ish), it was ridiculously more expensive, less performing and had less battery life (!) than the cheaper Intel options https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-Surface-Pro-X-Review-Microsoft-s-ARM-based-tablet-with-poor-compatibility.529218.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-Surface-Pro-X-Review... The previous Surface non-Pro ARM attempts (RT, 2012ish) were even crappier (Tegra procs) but at least they were cheaper than the Pro/Intel variants...
- jjtheblunt 4y ago> People need to remember that desktop/laptop ARMs outside of Apple have kind of royally sucked... I've got an SQ1 and Apple M2 and they're both truly excellent. (disclaimer: I worked years in engineering in both Qualcomm and Apple)
- scarface74 4y agoGot some benchmarks?
- jjtheblunt 4y agoGood point: they're excellent for MY benchmarks, to your point (I think). Essentially I run them all day with Visual Studio Code and vim sessions, Firefox scanning news and documentation (and of course normal email etc), and ssh to cloud hosts. Your mileage and evaluation could of course vary.
- wvenable 4y agoMicrosoft has an exclusivity agreement with Qualcomm that isn't doing them any favors.
- Moral_ 4y agoIt will do them great favors when the Qualcomm Hamoa Chip comes out which is supposed to be as good if not better than the Apple M2
- moffkalast 4y ago> the now two year old Apple M1 still smokes every single chip I just mentioned, all in a fanless iPad Air Well yes, but then you have to use macOS and the locked down close ecosystem that is Apple. That's not really something they're directly competing against.
- scarface74 4y agoTell me again how MacOS is more locked down than Windows and why most people should care?
- seabriez 4y ago
- deleted 4y ago[deleted]
- scarface74 4y agoOr you couldn’t truthfully answer the question. How is the Mac more locked down than Windows? What class of software can you run on Windows that you can’t run on Macs because of Apple’s operating system? Edit: I see downvotes. But no one can answer the question.. .
- kweingar 4y ago> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- scarface74 4y agoSince we are quoting rules… > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.