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Visiting two new craters in Kyiv

12 points by Max-Ganz-II 4y ago

Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
I live here. I went down to see the crater by the bridge, and to my surprise found another slap bang on the avenue I walk up into town on.
PaulHoule 4y ago
For all the talk about this being a massive attack, the number of casualties is in the tens and blowing up a few apartment buildings seems to be unlikely to be consequential to the war. It all seems like a waste of money and combat power on the part of the Ruzzians.
- chokolad 4y ago
  Main targets of the attack were components of electirc grid, hence relatively low casualty numbers. For some reason western media mentions this only in passing, while pushing what seems to be the misses to the front page.
  - trasz 4y ago
    It might be because in countries other than Russia, targeting civilians to maximise casualties is not the default, quite the opposite.
    - chokolad 4y ago
      I am not sure I follow. My point was that strikes have not really targeted civilian population, they targeted electrical grid.
      - trasz 4y ago
        Of course they targeted the civilian population. That’s the common modus operandi for Russia: they don’t do well against an opponent who can shit back, so they focus on killing civilians. Here’s some data: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1579977066736680960 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1579977066736680960 But yes, this time orcs also happened to hit parts of the grid. Which is still targeting civilians instead of military targets.
  - PaulHoule 4y ago
    People are usually pretty quick to fix the power grid after that kind of attack. Cruise missiles are pretty expensive. (The US Tomahawk costs about $2M) My understanding is that ballistic missiles are even more expensive (The 9K720 Iskander costs about $3M) If you are trading these for $50M fighter jets that's one thing, but spending them on transformer yards might be just digging a hole for yourself.
    - chokolad 4y ago
      If the large power transformers are hit the repairs are neither that quick nor cheap
  - Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
    I understand more consequential damage is generally not reported, so as not to give free damage assessment reports to the Russians.
- trasz 4y ago
  None of it makes sense from military point of view; it's yet another case of Russian terrorism. The consensus seems to be that it was required for domestic policy, a sign of Putin yielding to hardliners.

12 points by Max-Ganz-II 4y ago

I live here. I went down to see the crater by the bridge, and to my surprise found another slap bang on the avenue I walk up into town on.

PaulHoule 4y ago

For all the talk about this being a massive attack, the number of casualties is in the tens and blowing up a few apartment buildings seems to be unlikely to be consequential to the war. It all seems like a waste of money and combat power on the part of the Ruzzians.

chokolad 4y ago
Main targets of the attack were components of electirc grid, hence relatively low casualty numbers. For some reason western media mentions this only in passing, while pushing what seems to be the misses to the front page.
- trasz 4y ago
  It might be because in countries other than Russia, targeting civilians to maximise casualties is not the default, quite the opposite.
  - chokolad 4y ago
    I am not sure I follow. My point was that strikes have not really targeted civilian population, they targeted electrical grid.
    - trasz 4y ago
      Of course they targeted the civilian population. That’s the common modus operandi for Russia: they don’t do well against an opponent who can shit back, so they focus on killing civilians. Here’s some data: https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1579977066736680960 https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1579977066736680960 But yes, this time orcs also happened to hit parts of the grid. Which is still targeting civilians instead of military targets.
- PaulHoule 4y ago
  People are usually pretty quick to fix the power grid after that kind of attack. Cruise missiles are pretty expensive. (The US Tomahawk costs about $2M) My understanding is that ballistic missiles are even more expensive (The 9K720 Iskander costs about $3M) If you are trading these for $50M fighter jets that's one thing, but spending them on transformer yards might be just digging a hole for yourself.
  - chokolad 4y ago
    If the large power transformers are hit the repairs are neither that quick nor cheap
- Max-Ganz-II 4y ago
  I understand more consequential damage is generally not reported, so as not to give free damage assessment reports to the Russians.
trasz 4y ago
None of it makes sense from military point of view; it's yet another case of Russian terrorism. The consensus seems to be that it was required for domestic policy, a sign of Putin yielding to hardliners.