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> The FBI is more or less a legalized criminal organization that is funded by U.S. taxpayers, but is unelected and unaccountable to them This kinda reads like

> The FBI is more or less a legalized criminal organization that is funded by U.S. taxpayers, but is unelected and unaccountable to them This kinda reads like a description of the CIA. How many of these have you got there?

firmnoodle 4y ago
I think he's talking about the domestic operations. I would agree that the CIA and their sister organizations who operate internationally fit the description as well. Can't torture someone, well, take them to a friendly place where your buddy can torture them. Need to plant some FUD on a person? "an anonymous source in the intelligence community said that X did Y in Z." Unelected, Unaccountable and unchecked in every way.
- hericium 4y ago
  Frank Olson's[1] death is an example of possible/alleged CIA's internal operation. There are numerous other cases like this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson
  - virissimo 4y ago
    Discrediting Joseph McCarthy is another example of a CIA internal operation: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/48603/did-the-cia-feed-false-information-to-mccarthy-to-discredit-his-true-claims-that https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/48603/did-the-c....
- the_only_law 4y ago
  They can also dose US citizens with psychoactive substances without their consent or knowledge, start destroying the evidence and get away with it.
- RetpolineDrama 4y ago
  >Can't torture someone, well, take them to a friendly place where your buddy can torture them. That reminds me of the technical equivalent with five eyes, and I've never managed to figure out how that is _not_ treason. Oh, domestic organization X can't spy on you because of that pesky constitution, but they can "allow" a hostile agency from another country to do all the spying (and vice-versa) then "share" information. Seems pretty clearcut, our domestic agencies are conspiring with a foreign power to defraud US citizens of their constitutional rights. People should go to jail for that, but somehow it's all considered legal

firmnoodle 4y ago

I think he's talking about the domestic operations. I would agree that the CIA and their sister organizations who operate internationally fit the description as well. Can't torture someone, well, take them to a friendly place where your buddy can torture them. Need to plant some FUD on a person? "an anonymous source in the intelligence community said that X did Y in Z." Unelected, Unaccountable and unchecked in every way.

hericium 4y ago
Frank Olson's[1] death is an example of possible/alleged CIA's internal operation. There are numerous other cases like this. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson
- virissimo 4y ago
  Discrediting Joseph McCarthy is another example of a CIA internal operation: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/48603/did-the-cia-feed-false-information-to-mccarthy-to-discredit-his-true-claims-that https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/48603/did-the-c....
the_only_law 4y ago
They can also dose US citizens with psychoactive substances without their consent or knowledge, start destroying the evidence and get away with it.
RetpolineDrama 4y ago
>Can't torture someone, well, take them to a friendly place where your buddy can torture them. That reminds me of the technical equivalent with five eyes, and I've never managed to figure out how that is _not_ treason. Oh, domestic organization X can't spy on you because of that pesky constitution, but they can "allow" a hostile agency from another country to do all the spying (and vice-versa) then "share" information. Seems pretty clearcut, our domestic agencies are conspiring with a foreign power to defraud US citizens of their constitutional rights. People should go to jail for that, but somehow it's all considered legal