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Out of curiosity I googled "percentage of US prison population that's female" and it's ~10%. So is this partly why we have the "women are wonderful" bias (becau

Out of curiosity I googled "percentage of US prison population that's female" and it's ~10%. So is this partly why we have the "women are wonderful" bias (because women are apparently much less likely to commit violent crime)? Or is it that because of this bias fewer women end up in prison?

ALittleLight 4y ago
Another take - perhaps there is a "women are wonderful" sentiment because they are less likely to commit violent crime (and things like that).
- UncleOxidant 4y ago
  You can look at mass shootings in the US (no sentencing bias) and ~98% have been committed by men.
scotty79 4y ago
Probably both.
rekabis 4y ago
A quote I saw somewhere, and backed up with links to research that I (unfortunately) did not save, went something like this: “For the exact same crime with the exact same damages, the gender sentencing gap is three times larger than the wealth sentencing gap, and seven times larger than the racial sentencing gap. Having been born female is the single largest get-out-of-jail-free card you could possibly possess.” This hesitancy by police, prosecutors, judges, and juries to properly charge, prosecute, and sentence women to the same degree as men are treated, is certainly sounding a lot like the “women are wonderful, they couldn’t possibly be responsible or capable of this” effect in action.
luckylion 4y ago
> Or is it that because of this bias fewer women end up in prison? That's well documented [0]. Money quote: "In the United States men are most adversely affected by sentencing disparity being twice as likely to be sentenced to jail after conviction than women and receiving on average 63% longer jail sentences." An interesting side-note: the effect shrinks when the judge is a woman. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity
- UncleOxidant 4y ago
  > twice as likely to be sentenced to jail But this doesn't seem to account for all of that 10:1 ratio.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    I never said it would, but it does explain part of it, and especially the length, which acts as a multiplier. Hard to say what the "true" frequencies are. I'm pretty sure you'd still have more men committing crimes, but probably not as many if they'd get similar treatments. And you'd probably see shorter sentences, and fewer jail sentences, if there was no sentencing gap. I have no idea what the "true" numbers would be though.
    - UncleOxidant 4y ago
      I just looked up mass-shooting stats in the US (data going back to 1966) and 98% have been committed by men - no sentencing bias there.
      - luckylion 4y ago
        I see you have no actual interest in the discussion and just want confirmation of your beliefs. I'm sure you'll find plenty in the depth of the internet. Good luck, and have a great day!
      - anonporridge 4y ago
        Mass shootings are a statistically insignificant portion of all violent crime. They're just emotionally visceral and newsworthy, which is why we think it's a bigger problem than it is in reality.
      - tsol 4y ago
        When women are statistically fewer of the high achieving people in society we say it must be because of socialization, because women and men are equal. How is it that this is because men are simply violent? So are men just women with an added propensity for violence?
addingadimensio 4y ago
Women cannot even commit violent crime against half the population.
- dmurdoch 4y ago
  Excuse me, what? Elaborate?

ALittleLight 4y ago

Another take - perhaps there is a "women are wonderful" sentiment because they are less likely to commit violent crime (and things like that).

UncleOxidant 4y ago
You can look at mass shootings in the US (no sentencing bias) and ~98% have been committed by men.

scotty79 4y ago

Probably both.

rekabis 4y ago

A quote I saw somewhere, and backed up with links to research that I (unfortunately) did not save, went something like this: “For the exact same crime with the exact same damages, the gender sentencing gap is three times larger than the wealth sentencing gap, and seven times larger than the racial sentencing gap. Having been born female is the single largest get-out-of-jail-free card you could possibly possess.” This hesitancy by police, prosecutors, judges, and juries to properly charge, prosecute, and sentence women to the same degree as men are treated, is certainly sounding a lot like the “women are wonderful, they couldn’t possibly be responsible or capable of this” effect in action.

luckylion 4y ago

> Or is it that because of this bias fewer women end up in prison? That's well documented [0]. Money quote: "In the United States men are most adversely affected by sentencing disparity being twice as likely to be sentenced to jail after conviction than women and receiving on average 63% longer jail sentences." An interesting side-note: the effect shrinks when the judge is a woman. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentencing_disparity

UncleOxidant 4y ago
> twice as likely to be sentenced to jail But this doesn't seem to account for all of that 10:1 ratio.
- luckylion 4y ago
  I never said it would, but it does explain part of it, and especially the length, which acts as a multiplier. Hard to say what the "true" frequencies are. I'm pretty sure you'd still have more men committing crimes, but probably not as many if they'd get similar treatments. And you'd probably see shorter sentences, and fewer jail sentences, if there was no sentencing gap. I have no idea what the "true" numbers would be though.
  - UncleOxidant 4y ago
    I just looked up mass-shooting stats in the US (data going back to 1966) and 98% have been committed by men - no sentencing bias there.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      I see you have no actual interest in the discussion and just want confirmation of your beliefs. I'm sure you'll find plenty in the depth of the internet. Good luck, and have a great day!
    - anonporridge 4y ago
      Mass shootings are a statistically insignificant portion of all violent crime. They're just emotionally visceral and newsworthy, which is why we think it's a bigger problem than it is in reality.
    - tsol 4y ago
      When women are statistically fewer of the high achieving people in society we say it must be because of socialization, because women and men are equal. How is it that this is because men are simply violent? So are men just women with an added propensity for violence?

addingadimensio 4y ago

Women cannot even commit violent crime against half the population.

dmurdoch 4y ago
Excuse me, what? Elaborate?