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I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women r

• ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
  Those VCs are the VCs you don't want money from anyway.
• 4gotunameagain 4y ago
  • joecot 4y ago
    It has nothing to do with "toxic femininity", it's classism. And no one's "banning" you from using this term, you're just getting downvoted for your performative "Cancel Culture" signalling.
    • 4gotunameagain 4y ago
      yes it does. It is well known that women have a proclivity to climb the social ladder and marry upwards, therefore desiring wealth etc. Duckduckgo hypergamy. I obviously used the term in a sarcastic manner, to show how stupid it is, together with its sister term
    • derac 4y ago
      This seems to be related to both gender roles and class. The culture around the male role in a diadic relationship is classist. I wouldn't use the term toxic femininity, but I think in spirit it has some merit. The complaining about what words you "can say" is annoying for sure.
      • hallway_monitor 4y ago
        Agree - you would never see a man turning down a woman because she had a different phone.
        • kyledamon 4y ago
          https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32765884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32765884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32766935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32766935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32766998 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32766998
          • smegsicle 4y ago
            three links to the same metrosexual?
• mrep 4y ago
  I've legit had 1 girl say "I don't know about these green bubbles" after we started texting...
  • lupire 4y ago
    How did it end? Was she worth an iPhone?
    • mrep 4y ago
      We ended up going on a date still but it did make me raise my eyebrows.
      • alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
        I would have raised one eyebrow, not 2.
        • ihatepython 4y ago
          Do you have a unibrow by any chance?
• lupire 4y ago
  #1 is great. A gold digger (and a low intelligence one at that) waving their red flag at first contact.
  • artificialLimbs 4y ago
    The vast majority of women would rather have a successful man as a mate than the alternative.
    • smegsicle 4y ago
      so probably a red flag if you are not successful
    • valarauko 4y ago
      Not in question. I guess the issue is that SMS bubble color is such a weak indicator of success that it should call into question somebody who regards it as noteworthy.
    • selfhoster11 4y ago
      Yes, because Android is only for the poors and the rich universally use the iPhone without exception. You're on HN. Half of us use Android.
    • Mikeb85 4y ago
      The parent is saying that the choice of phone is a poor indicator of success (likely because Androids can cost just as much as the most expensive iPhone and vice versa, old iPhones can cost as little as the shittiest Android).
  • notyourday 4y ago
    No, #1 is "this is his burner number"
    • michaelmrose 4y ago
      Even in the US the epicenter of apple market share there are as more androids than apples meanwhile few people even cheaters who have burner numbers. Seems like premature analysis which would be better and easier done after more conversation rather than prejudging half the population.
• nakedrobot2 4y ago
  Both are good reasons to avoid such toxic people. VC's especially.
  • sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
    I think courting VCs already involves sacrificing your pride and doing a song and dance. Why not do a small easy thing to help close the sale?
    • NickC25 4y ago
      Because a VC that is more concerned with the type of phone you use than your product/service/company is probably a VC you should stay away from. Imagine explaining to investors in your VC - "You know that XYZ company that just IPO'd for several billion dollars? Yeah I passed on their series A because the founder didn't have an iPhone despite the business itself being really solid". If I was an investor in that VC I'd sue the partners into the ground over such trivial bullshit.
      • sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
        I completely agree with the sentiment, but i'm sure deals are made on less trivial factors all the time. They just aren't explicitly stated.
        • NickC25 4y ago
          Yeah, but the whole point is that if it IS explicitly stated or even implied, then the whole concept of a VC's fiduciary duty to its investors gets thrown out the window because of some partner's personal biases that have no impact on a given company or product. That's unethical and dubious at best, and illegal or outright fraud at worst. All because someone didn't like that someone else was using a different kind of phone. That's nuts if you think about it.
    • yamazakiwi 4y ago
      If a VC finds importance in a specific song and dance you find silly, I would take that as a signal of their market and technology understanding. Some topics can be deal breakers, you don't have to marry the first VC you talk to, or court them all.
• protomyth 4y ago
  Its ever so fun to have to deal with middle school with green bubbles. Apple is directly responsible for some kids getting bullied, but I guess it works out for them since we had to buy some more Apple devices.
  • computerfriend 4y ago
    What? No. Apple is at best indirectly responsible.
    • spoils19 4y ago
      What? No. Apple is directly responsible, like the GP said.
      • wewtyflakes 4y ago
        Wouldn't the bully be the one directly responsible?
        • jeremy0x4a 4y ago
          The modern bully demands all lunch money be submitted via Apple Cash, or else.
    • protomyth 4y ago
      Apple knows exactly what coloring the bubble differently will do. The bully is just a marketing instrument to the Apple executives. Normally, I would blame only the bully, but this seems willful on Apple's part. They want kids to feel bad and tell their parents they need an iPhone. They don't give a damn that they're just another point of friction in people's days.
      • rosnd 4y ago
        Do you think there would be less bullying in a world without different coloured bubbles? Do you think the bubbles cause bullying? I'd imagine the bubbles are just an excuse, which would immediately be replaced with something else in their absence.
• golergka 4y ago
  > Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android I haven't lived in a country where text bubbles used to be a thing, but I noticed this. People, even people who are smart and kind in other aspects, still cling to the easiest social cues. Doesn't matter if you wear a Margiela t-shirt or what you drive; your tinder date or a person who you just met in a bar will look at your phone and take notice. Personally, I was quite happy with Samsung flagship phones, and then not less happy with pretty cheap Xiaomi ones — they literally do anything I want in a phone. But after getting frustrated with how people read social cues, I moved back to iPhones and simply got myself the most expensive one, just for the sake of being easier to read for other people. Obviously, it would be nice to be so laidback and independent as to not care what other people care about your wealth, but sadly, I'm not on that level yet.
  • luuuzeta 4y ago
    >But after getting frustrated with how people read social cues, I moved back to iPhones and simply got myself the most expensive one, just for the sake of being easier to read for other people. I hope you're kidding.
  • fomine3 4y ago
    Okay let's overwhelm people by using foldable phone! /s, ... but I start thinking that's why Galaxy Flip sold well than I expected.
  • computerfriend 4y ago
    It's the opposite. You're now missing out on the valuable signal of whether someone is obsessed with wealth and class or not.
    • sangnoir 4y ago
      I have ascended to the even more-conceited plane of "I don't bother with social signifiers" (which ironically is a signifier in itself- but in my case, I mostly do not care). Then again, I'm not currently in the dating pool, so YMMV
• School-Cotton 4y ago
  > a large number of techies using Android This doesn’t match my experience. Almost everyone I work with has an iPhone. Anyway, having a good income isn’t the whole story. It’s probably also about willingness to conform to subtle, arbitrary social norms. Plenty of women are more attracted to a guy who dresses well, despite the fact that plenty of techies wear free hoodies. I think that’s a better analogy.
  • tfehring 4y ago
    I think using Android can be either a low income signal or a Grey Tribe [0] cultural signal, and people on dating sites might want to screen out either (or both). Like you said, it’s about arbitrary norms, but we make assumptions about others all the time based on which norms we follow. An analogy from a different angle is that texting your Tinder match from an Android phone is a bit like applying for a tech job with a @hotmail.com email address. [0] https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin...
    • jcelerier 4y ago
      .. people use SMS on tinder ? I had overall a couple hundred matches and going through classic text has been exceedingly rare, 80% of the time conversations move on to instagram, and otherwise to fb messenger or whatsapp
      • mrep 4y ago
        Guessing you are not in the US? I am and all matches I have had on hinge have moved onto text and I have had a girl comment on the green bubbles. I don't even have fb messenger or whatsapp installed.
        • jcelerier 4y ago
          Yes, France (and Canada where I moved recently looks like the same so far)
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• reaperducer 4y ago
  A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. This doesn't seem very different from a Director of Sales telling the salespeople to upgrade their wardrobe. Image is important in business. Some people may be uncomfortable with that, but it's a fact. Companies, and people, spend trillions of dollars a year to project an image. It just happens that blue text bubbles are more in style than green text bubbles. But Google fell into the same trap that all large companies do: If you can't innovate, litigate.
• romeoblade 4y ago
  > despite a large number of techies using Android I use an iPhone. Not for any philosophical reason. I tried switching to android 3 times over the years since the first iPhone came out. Same plan, same provider, grandfathered in, same house, same spot. Each android phone did not get the same level of cell service in my house as the iPhone. I have side gigs I do contracting for, I have had cases of missing calls where the androids have literally cost me $100's of dollars, phone didn't ring... just a voicemail notification showing up hours later. After the 3rd attempt, last being a nexus 5, I gave up. I'm sorry but I draw a line when a device messes with my income regardless of my ideological stance on open source and not having a windows device or even an Apple laptop in the house for the last 13 years. With that said the Pixel 7 Pro looks nice, and I would love to give it a try but I'll only do that if I have it on a separate dedicated line to try out besides my main one that have had for 20 years. Not sure it's worth the effort at this point.
  • tl_donson 4y ago
    > After the 3rd attempt, last being a nexus 5, I gave up. coincidentally i think the nexus 5 was also my 3rd and final android. i actually really liked that phone. then i took an international flight and after landing it was suddenly bricked. wouldn’t turn on at all. so strange.
• solardev 4y ago
  1. Joke's on them. I just got a new iPhone and now my net worth is even more negative than it was before!
• brokenmachine 4y ago
  Not understanding that they've already been manipulated by Apple is a (slight) red flag to me.
• nineteen999 4y ago
  > 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) This is a red flag against the women in question, not the Android user. That attitude/behaviour is a great indicator of a gold digger. You'd be dodging a bullet by avoiding these women. The only other people that share that attitude are teenagers. So if you go along with this horseshit and buy an iPhone just to feel more comfortable dating, you're courting women with the maturity and intelligence of the average teenager.
  • geoduck14 4y ago
    I have 4 daughters. I hope they marry rich guys. I have other criteria, too, but rich is definitely on the list.
    • pertymcpert 4y ago
      How rich?
      • varjag 4y ago
        iPhone rich.
        • taskforcegemini 4y ago
          so, only posing as rich is enough?
    • FrozenSynapse 4y ago
      Why? That's a very stupid criteria. You'd want them to marry smart and decent guys, regardless of their wealth...
      • bheadmaster 4y ago
        "Smart" and "decent" are desirable qualities, but it is questionable whether or not they can provide a better life for a woman than wealth. Poverty is known to be a true killer of any kind of romance and love. It doesn't seem far fetched to agree that being wealthy and enjoying a stress-free lifestyle can be an aphrodisiac. Also, I think that poverty is actually more correlated to stupidity and rudeness. I've read that stress can literally make your brain shrink from the excess of cortisol. Rich people are generally labeled with undesirable properties, which (at least in my case) often comes from a personal bias - it feels unfair to watch someone else have everything I want, so at least they're a bad person and I'm not, so I got that going for me, which is nice. --- To sidetrack a little bit: > That's a very stupid criteria. This is completely redundant - your point would be perfectly conveyed without this sentence. HN guidelines phrase it this way: When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."