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https://wikimediafoundation.org/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/ How is this misleading? They provide an incredibly large amount of information. And more inf

https://wikimediafoundation.org/ https://wikimediafoundation.org/ How is this misleading? They provide an incredibly large amount of information. And more information can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Disputes

Macha 4y ago
That is not the place donors get sent, nor the content of the ads shown to potential donors. The ads are screenshotted in the linked article and they lead here: https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=IE&uselang=en&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_source=donate&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Landi... Yes, users can go elsewhere to find the information. The records are on file in the metaphorical filing cabinet downstairs. But if the messaging you're putting front and center contradicts said records, their existence doesn't counter criticism of the messaging
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  "Elsewhere" in this case is the FAQ link at the bottom of the donation page. If a person has questions, that's what an FAQ is for. Calls to action are kept intentionally short because the research on human psychology is clear: every additional sentence beyond the first few decreases the odds of a conversion (that's adspeak for "closing the deal").
  - Macha 4y ago
    Yes, this is also why it lies, lying to make the situation seem more ominous also increases the odds of a conversion. But effectiveness doesn't imply ethicality, so "but it's effective" is not a defense against criticism of ethics.
    - jasonlotito 4y ago
      In that case, your comment is a lie, and I can freely dismiss it.
- jasonlotito 4y ago
  Your opinions are wrong. Be careful, if you argue that your opinions are not wrong, you'll be admitting your comment here is wrong.
blululu 4y ago
There are laws against fine print for a reason. The front page pop up ad tells a different story than a stack of text heavy articles that require no small amount of technical expertise to figure out.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  > The are laws against fine print for a reason Has Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation broken any?
- jasonlotito 4y ago
  They haven't broken any laws. And "text heavy articles" are bad now? They share this information, and it's very public. Prove to me they are lying. Nothing on their donation page seems to be a lie. Your comment on the other hand is very misleading.

Macha 4y ago

That is not the place donors get sent, nor the content of the ads shown to potential donors. The ads are screenshotted in the linked article and they lead here: https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LandingPage&country=IE&uselang=en&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_source=donate&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Landi... Yes, users can go elsewhere to find the information. The records are on file in the metaphorical filing cabinet downstairs. But if the messaging you're putting front and center contradicts said records, their existence doesn't counter criticism of the messaging

shadowgovt 4y ago
"Elsewhere" in this case is the FAQ link at the bottom of the donation page. If a person has questions, that's what an FAQ is for. Calls to action are kept intentionally short because the research on human psychology is clear: every additional sentence beyond the first few decreases the odds of a conversion (that's adspeak for "closing the deal").
- Macha 4y ago
  Yes, this is also why it lies, lying to make the situation seem more ominous also increases the odds of a conversion. But effectiveness doesn't imply ethicality, so "but it's effective" is not a defense against criticism of ethics.
  - jasonlotito 4y ago
    In that case, your comment is a lie, and I can freely dismiss it.
jasonlotito 4y ago
Your opinions are wrong. Be careful, if you argue that your opinions are not wrong, you'll be admitting your comment here is wrong.

blululu 4y ago

There are laws against fine print for a reason. The front page pop up ad tells a different story than a stack of text heavy articles that require no small amount of technical expertise to figure out.

shadowgovt 4y ago
> The are laws against fine print for a reason Has Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation broken any?
jasonlotito 4y ago
They haven't broken any laws. And "text heavy articles" are bad now? They share this information, and it's very public. Prove to me they are lying. Nothing on their donation page seems to be a lie. Your comment on the other hand is very misleading.