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Yes, of course your argument is valid. But i still think the functionality gained by VR is more of a smaller incremental one, rather than the revolutionary one

by tacker2000 4y ago

Yes, of course your argument is valid. But i still think the functionality gained by VR is more of a smaller incremental one, rather than the revolutionary one that the PC was back then.

tmikaeld 4y ago
I think it depend on two things: - It needs to be light enough to wear 8 hours a day and not disconnect too much from reality, like with XR/AR. - Input devices matter a great deal and writing on a keyboard - while in the field - will pose a problem, same goes with mouse input devices. The current controllers are too large and slow for productive input.
- intrasight 4y ago
  Mostly agree. But on "input devices" I don't think the keyboard will as we know it will make the transition. Anyway, it's a very unnatural input device which only a small percentage of humanity has mastered. Steve Jobs famously told his designers in the 80s that he didn't want the Mac to have a physical keyboard. They said, rightly at the time, that a computer needs one. But in the end Jobs was correct - 99% of computers now have no keyboard. I have not followed research in this area, but I'm sure that some very smart people are trying to figure out the ideal virtual keyboard for VR.
  - tmikaeld 4y ago
    Voice interpretation using AI is very nearly there, it's the only input that isn't finicky.
    - w0m 4y ago
      'forward two space, no back 1. down 3 and replace inner words with... no; undo. cancel. cancel. UNDO'.
      - tmikaeld 4y ago
        "Nearly" there, the problem with people mumbling or having a bad voice for recognition of microphones will always be an issue though, no matter how good the AI is..
  - Semaphor 4y ago
    > 99% of computers now have no keyboard. And I miss them, every time I use those computers. The Keyboard (and mouse, even if the Vi people will probably want to lynch me for that) is still the most efficient input device. That might eventually change through some UI revolution, but all we have so far are UIs with fewer features in exchange for making touch usage slightly easier.
    - intrasight 4y ago
      >is still the most efficient input device And has only existed for last 70 years of human history. I doubt it'll stick with us.
      - wtetzner 4y ago
        The first commercial typewriters became available in the late 1800s.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Nit: Even if assume that all global population (7B) have smartphone and tablet (so 14B), 1% is 14M. It's too low count for how much PC used. Also popular better input system for long text hasn't used now. I don't think keyboard is the endgame device, but keyboard era is very long than we expected.
TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
It's not, though. The company laptop does a lot more than do Zoom calls.

Yes, of course your argument is valid. But i still think the functionality gained by VR is more of a smaller incremental one, rather than the revolutionary one that the PC was back then.

tmikaeld 4y ago

I think it depend on two things: - It needs to be light enough to wear 8 hours a day and not disconnect too much from reality, like with XR/AR. - Input devices matter a great deal and writing on a keyboard - while in the field - will pose a problem, same goes with mouse input devices. The current controllers are too large and slow for productive input.

intrasight 4y ago
Mostly agree. But on "input devices" I don't think the keyboard will as we know it will make the transition. Anyway, it's a very unnatural input device which only a small percentage of humanity has mastered. Steve Jobs famously told his designers in the 80s that he didn't want the Mac to have a physical keyboard. They said, rightly at the time, that a computer needs one. But in the end Jobs was correct - 99% of computers now have no keyboard. I have not followed research in this area, but I'm sure that some very smart people are trying to figure out the ideal virtual keyboard for VR.
- tmikaeld 4y ago
  Voice interpretation using AI is very nearly there, it's the only input that isn't finicky.
  - w0m 4y ago
    'forward two space, no back 1. down 3 and replace inner words with... no; undo. cancel. cancel. UNDO'.
    - tmikaeld 4y ago
      "Nearly" there, the problem with people mumbling or having a bad voice for recognition of microphones will always be an issue though, no matter how good the AI is..
- Semaphor 4y ago
  > 99% of computers now have no keyboard. And I miss them, every time I use those computers. The Keyboard (and mouse, even if the Vi people will probably want to lynch me for that) is still the most efficient input device. That might eventually change through some UI revolution, but all we have so far are UIs with fewer features in exchange for making touch usage slightly easier.
  - intrasight 4y ago
    >is still the most efficient input device And has only existed for last 70 years of human history. I doubt it'll stick with us.
    - wtetzner 4y ago
      The first commercial typewriters became available in the late 1800s.
- fomine3 4y ago
  Nit: Even if assume that all global population (7B) have smartphone and tablet (so 14B), 1% is 14M. It's too low count for how much PC used. Also popular better input system for long text hasn't used now. I don't think keyboard is the endgame device, but keyboard era is very long than we expected.

TheRealDunkirk 4y ago

It's not, though. The company laptop does a lot more than do Zoom calls.