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The snap situation seems like a travesty. For example, the Firefox that's installed by default on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS can't save pages or images. I had to google f

The snap situation seems like a travesty. For example, the Firefox that's installed by default on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS can't save pages or images. I had to google for how to install the non-snap version, and that fixed it.

tryauuum 4y ago
if anyone's curious, the command to get rid of snap is apt-get purge snapd --yes
- pizza234 4y ago
  That's problematic unfortunately, because one may need a program that is distributed via snaps. Interestingly, snap has a service that self-heals, so that if one tried to hack it, it will overwrite the changes. That's... quite malwarish, I'd say, and very unusual in the Unix world. Regarding hacking it: it's necessary because once snapd is installed, the ubuntu upgrader will sync on every update, so snap is not a service that can be just disabled.
  - krastanov 4y ago
    You can just turn off the service and uninstall snapd. It is annoying to have to do it, but it is pretty straightforward. But yes, you will need to then add PPAs for thing that were only in snap, or use appimage or flathub.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    My understanding is you can prevent the install using apt preference. https://linux.die.net/man/5/apt_preferences https://linux.die.net/man/5/apt_preferences
ikt 4y ago
Yes it can, I've saved tons of pictures... why do you think it can't?
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  By default, Firefox doesn't have the permissions necessary sometimes. I had that issue. Not hard to work around, but quite annoying to have to look up. Personally, I've switched to a plain old .tar.gz extracted in a folder to fix Canonical's snap obsession because Snap'd Firefox doesn't play nice with some debuggers I was using. Same with Chromium; quite a pain.
- velox_neb 4y ago
  Clicking "Save Image As..." did nothing, no file dialog appeared. Had similar problems before, so I guessed it was some snap bullshit. This page seemed to confirm it https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1290489 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1290489 Followed the instructions here https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d... , and then it worked as normal.
xamolxix 4y ago
> I had to google for how to install the non-snap version Out of curiosity, how did you do it? I ended up downloading the firefox tar from their website and setting that the default browser. Could not find any trustworthy deb packages.
- 3np 4y ago
  Not GP but the officially published flatpak is one option https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-from-flatpak https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w...
- tbran 4y ago
  I highly recommend installing the .deb: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d... This method will: - Install from the Mozilla PPA. - Automatically update Firefox. - Let you install third party integrations (I needed keepassxc). Side bonus: I'm also not getting the annoying "You need to update Firefox popups" that are super cryptic and don't explain that you apparently need to close Firefox then, I don't know, wait a few minutes, I guess, for stuff to update in the background.
- velox_neb 4y ago
  > Out of curiosity, how did you do it? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d...
2Gkashmiri 4y ago
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox what do you mean?
trollied 4y ago
I installed jetbrains clion via snap, not realising the implications. I spent a long long time trying to work out why it couldn’t find dev libraries installed via apt. It wasn’t until I attacked the process with truss/strace that I realised the package manager had installed a snap version, and it was horrifically sandboxed. I nuked Ubuntu and installed Arch.
- CoolCold 4y ago
  Very good demonstration [for me] of current state Linux-Is-Ready-For-Desktop thing - even those with technical background, who _have_ idea on dev libraries (which I think really are headers with somelib-dev packages), strace/truss (is not truss a BSD thing?), not plain mere mortal person have issues on realizing how it works under the hood and how to make it work in desirable way. Microsoft and Windows are totally safe for now+15 years.
PontifexMinimus 4y ago
> the Firefox that's installed by default on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS can't save pages or images Saving files and images both work for me.

tryauuum 4y ago

if anyone's curious, the command to get rid of snap is apt-get purge snapd --yes

pizza234 4y ago
That's problematic unfortunately, because one may need a program that is distributed via snaps. Interestingly, snap has a service that self-heals, so that if one tried to hack it, it will overwrite the changes. That's... quite malwarish, I'd say, and very unusual in the Unix world. Regarding hacking it: it's necessary because once snapd is installed, the ubuntu upgrader will sync on every update, so snap is not a service that can be just disabled.
- krastanov 4y ago
  You can just turn off the service and uninstall snapd. It is annoying to have to do it, but it is pretty straightforward. But yes, you will need to then add PPAs for thing that were only in snap, or use appimage or flathub.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  My understanding is you can prevent the install using apt preference. https://linux.die.net/man/5/apt_preferences https://linux.die.net/man/5/apt_preferences

ikt 4y ago

Yes it can, I've saved tons of pictures... why do you think it can't?

jeroenhd 4y ago
By default, Firefox doesn't have the permissions necessary sometimes. I had that issue. Not hard to work around, but quite annoying to have to look up. Personally, I've switched to a plain old .tar.gz extracted in a folder to fix Canonical's snap obsession because Snap'd Firefox doesn't play nice with some debuggers I was using. Same with Chromium; quite a pain.
velox_neb 4y ago
Clicking "Save Image As..." did nothing, no file dialog appeared. Had similar problems before, so I guessed it was some snap bullshit. This page seemed to confirm it https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1290489 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1290489 Followed the instructions here https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d... , and then it worked as normal.

xamolxix 4y ago

> I had to google for how to install the non-snap version Out of curiosity, how did you do it? I ended up downloading the firefox tar from their website and setting that the default browser. Could not find any trustworthy deb packages.

3np 4y ago
Not GP but the officially published flatpak is one option https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-from-flatpak https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w...
tbran 4y ago
I highly recommend installing the .deb: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d... This method will: - Install from the Mozilla PPA. - Automatically update Firefox. - Let you install third party integrations (I needed keepassxc). Side bonus: I'm also not getting the annoying "You need to update Firefox popups" that are super cryptic and don't explain that you apparently need to close Firefox then, I don't know, wait a few minutes, I guess, for stuff to update in the background.
velox_neb 4y ago
> Out of curiosity, how did you do it? https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d...

2Gkashmiri 4y ago

https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox what do you mean?

trollied 4y ago

I installed jetbrains clion via snap, not realising the implications. I spent a long long time trying to work out why it couldn’t find dev libraries installed via apt. It wasn’t until I attacked the process with truss/strace that I realised the package manager had installed a snap version, and it was horrifically sandboxed. I nuked Ubuntu and installed Arch.

CoolCold 4y ago
Very good demonstration [for me] of current state Linux-Is-Ready-For-Desktop thing - even those with technical background, who _have_ idea on dev libraries (which I think really are headers with somelib-dev packages), strace/truss (is not truss a BSD thing?), not plain mere mortal person have issues on realizing how it works under the hood and how to make it work in desirable way. Microsoft and Windows are totally safe for now+15 years.

PontifexMinimus 4y ago

> the Firefox that's installed by default on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS can't save pages or images Saving files and images both work for me.