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I don't care. Stop this witch hunt. Leave private companies out of politics. I hate that politics, brought on by mostly media propaganda, are causing businesse

I don't care. Stop this witch hunt. Leave private companies out of politics. I hate that politics, brought on by mostly media propaganda, are causing businesses so much pain. We're entering a dangerous phase of humanity where extremism and intolerance are promoted on both sides. Just know that if you live in the US, UK, or one of the western countries, it doesn't mean that you and your government are the good guys. You're quite often the bad guys. Your media uses the same propaganda techniques that Putin uses on Russians.

Mikeb85 4y ago
- senttoschool 4y ago
  - Mikeb85 4y ago
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    - senttoschool 4y ago
      I'm not really sure what your point is. You're using a lot of guesswork in death counts and framing me as a Russian-war supporter. You should read the original post of mine again. All I'm asking you to think critically about propaganda - on both sides.
      - Mikeb85 4y ago
        > All I'm asking you to think critically about propaganda - on both sides. I don't care about US vs. Russian propaganda. I don't care about what the US has done in the past. I care about the fact that a dictator sent his army to invade and commit genocide against a democracy in Europe completely unprovoked.
        senttoschool 4y ago
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        inferiorhuman 4y ago
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        senttoschool 4y ago
        Sure. Stop drinking propaganda.
        inferiorhuman 4y ago
        For anyone else following along at home, Cambridge Dictionary defines whataboutism thusly: The practice of answering a criticism or difficult question by making a similar criticism or asking a different but related question, typically starting with the words "What about?". If all "senttoschool" can contribute are low effort attempts at derailing a discussion about Tesla Musk's behavior, they don't really have anything to contribute at all. Elongated Muskrat's misdeeds are entirely independent of whatever salacious claims "senttoschool" is trying to make.
        senttoschool 4y ago
        Your only contribution here is "whataboutism". It's a low effort attempt at skirting the main point of my post in order to advance your propaganda.
        inferiorhuman 4y ago
        What, pray tell, was your point? Surely "leave private companies out of politics" wasn't your point since that's so absurd on its face. After all we're discussing a man who's already sold communication equipment made by his company to fuel the war effort.
        4y ago
      - stormking 4y ago
        Sounds like russian propaganda.
superchroma 4y ago
Nope, you have the wrong understanding. Elon musk is at the head of a company that builds rockets. He has the future of western space endeavor in the palm of his hand, and and will continue to do so for decades at this rate. He has agreements with the US government. You don't get to mess around with geopolitics and play games when you're operating at that level. If he didn't want to be subject to such scrutiny, he should have stuck to making cars and then people would just be upset and not outraged. He must be investigated for this so that the extent of his play becomes apparent, if any. He may be innocent, that is an acceptable possible outcome, but he really has gone too far this time.
- akomtu 4y ago
  If buying wrong aluminim for consumer grade vehicles is such a crime, then you may be interested to know where USAF gets steel alloys for fighter jets.
  - Nicksil 4y ago
    >If buying wrong aluminim for consumer grade vehicles is such a crime, then you may be interested to know where USAF gets steel alloys for fighter jets. OK, curiosity is killing me. I've got no dog in this fight but would like to know where the USAF get steel alloys for jet fighters.
    - inferiorhuman 4y ago
      Honeywell sourced some metal for the F-35 from China and historically the US government's had to do some political gymnastics to source titanium for military use from Russia, beyond that I don't know. Presumably the implication is that USAF is getting steel from Russia as well. To take the innuendo a bit further if the USAF does it surely it must be okay for Tesla Musk to do it too. Of course, that argument conveniently omits that Tesla Musk, after paling around with Putin, is publicly encouraging American allies (Taiwan, Ukraine) to surrender sovereign land to American adversaries. Whether or not Russian aluminum is sanctioned is largely irrelevant to the problem of Mister Musk inserting himself into major geopolitical events while the pro-Putin gang demands that Elon's critics rid themselves of these horrible political tones.
stouset 4y ago
> Leave private companies out of politics. In this case, Elon has repeatedly gone out of his way to inject himself directly into the politics of the situation. He's opened this upon himself.
- hulitu 4y ago
  "CROWD: Oooh! He said it again! Oooh!... OFFICIAL: You're only making it worse for yourself!" Monty Python
olliej 4y ago
It's (1) not a witch hunt to say "don't provide financial support to a country committing war crimes", and it's also not a matter of "[leaving] private companies out of politics". Elon Musk has made Tesla (a company he stole) and his own identity essentially interchangeable, his persona has made Tesla's choices de facto political support for Russia. Coupled with his support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, his support for nuking Ukraine if they ever try to free Crimea, and Musk's desire to get Putin's approval for his "peace plan" before publishing it, we should be looking at how Tesla is operating. We should also be looking at his decision to use Tesla to fund the Russian government, and asking how he is personally being compensated for that support.
marviio 4y ago
Well, if the business owner himself engage in world politics it is relevant to follow the money trail. Musk is not any businessman. His influence goes far.

Mikeb85 4y ago

senttoschool 4y ago
- Mikeb85 4y ago
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  - senttoschool 4y ago
    I'm not really sure what your point is. You're using a lot of guesswork in death counts and framing me as a Russian-war supporter. You should read the original post of mine again. All I'm asking you to think critically about propaganda - on both sides.
    - Mikeb85 4y ago
      > All I'm asking you to think critically about propaganda - on both sides. I don't care about US vs. Russian propaganda. I don't care about what the US has done in the past. I care about the fact that a dictator sent his army to invade and commit genocide against a democracy in Europe completely unprovoked.
      - senttoschool 4y ago
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        inferiorhuman 4y ago
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        senttoschool 4y ago
        Sure. Stop drinking propaganda.
        inferiorhuman 4y ago
        For anyone else following along at home, Cambridge Dictionary defines whataboutism thusly: The practice of answering a criticism or difficult question by making a similar criticism or asking a different but related question, typically starting with the words "What about?". If all "senttoschool" can contribute are low effort attempts at derailing a discussion about Tesla Musk's behavior, they don't really have anything to contribute at all. Elongated Muskrat's misdeeds are entirely independent of whatever salacious claims "senttoschool" is trying to make.
        senttoschool 4y ago
        Your only contribution here is "whataboutism". It's a low effort attempt at skirting the main point of my post in order to advance your propaganda.
        inferiorhuman 4y ago
        What, pray tell, was your point? Surely "leave private companies out of politics" wasn't your point since that's so absurd on its face. After all we're discussing a man who's already sold communication equipment made by his company to fuel the war effort.
        4y ago
    - stormking 4y ago
      Sounds like russian propaganda.

superchroma 4y ago

Nope, you have the wrong understanding. Elon musk is at the head of a company that builds rockets. He has the future of western space endeavor in the palm of his hand, and and will continue to do so for decades at this rate. He has agreements with the US government. You don't get to mess around with geopolitics and play games when you're operating at that level. If he didn't want to be subject to such scrutiny, he should have stuck to making cars and then people would just be upset and not outraged. He must be investigated for this so that the extent of his play becomes apparent, if any. He may be innocent, that is an acceptable possible outcome, but he really has gone too far this time.

akomtu 4y ago
If buying wrong aluminim for consumer grade vehicles is such a crime, then you may be interested to know where USAF gets steel alloys for fighter jets.
- Nicksil 4y ago
  >If buying wrong aluminim for consumer grade vehicles is such a crime, then you may be interested to know where USAF gets steel alloys for fighter jets. OK, curiosity is killing me. I've got no dog in this fight but would like to know where the USAF get steel alloys for jet fighters.
  - inferiorhuman 4y ago
    Honeywell sourced some metal for the F-35 from China and historically the US government's had to do some political gymnastics to source titanium for military use from Russia, beyond that I don't know. Presumably the implication is that USAF is getting steel from Russia as well. To take the innuendo a bit further if the USAF does it surely it must be okay for Tesla Musk to do it too. Of course, that argument conveniently omits that Tesla Musk, after paling around with Putin, is publicly encouraging American allies (Taiwan, Ukraine) to surrender sovereign land to American adversaries. Whether or not Russian aluminum is sanctioned is largely irrelevant to the problem of Mister Musk inserting himself into major geopolitical events while the pro-Putin gang demands that Elon's critics rid themselves of these horrible political tones.

stouset 4y ago

> Leave private companies out of politics. In this case, Elon has repeatedly gone out of his way to inject himself directly into the politics of the situation. He's opened this upon himself.

hulitu 4y ago
"CROWD: Oooh! He said it again! Oooh!... OFFICIAL: You're only making it worse for yourself!" Monty Python

olliej 4y ago

It's (1) not a witch hunt to say "don't provide financial support to a country committing war crimes", and it's also not a matter of "[leaving] private companies out of politics". Elon Musk has made Tesla (a company he stole) and his own identity essentially interchangeable, his persona has made Tesla's choices de facto political support for Russia. Coupled with his support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, his support for nuking Ukraine if they ever try to free Crimea, and Musk's desire to get Putin's approval for his "peace plan" before publishing it, we should be looking at how Tesla is operating. We should also be looking at his decision to use Tesla to fund the Russian government, and asking how he is personally being compensated for that support.

marviio 4y ago

Well, if the business owner himself engage in world politics it is relevant to follow the money trail. Musk is not any businessman. His influence goes far.