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Women have been able to vote in Switzerland for, what, 30 years now? A bit behind a lot of other countries for sure, but let's not act like that has or should h
by CodeSgt 4y ago
Women have been able to vote in Switzerland for, what, 30 years now? A bit behind a lot of other countries for sure, but let's not act like that has or should have any bearing on this subject of this post.
- woodruffw 4y agoI think the GP's comment is meant to preempt the normal HN comment chum on these topics, i.e. the tendency for HN to go out of its way to claim reactionary sex-based discrimination against men. Given that Switzerland has had universal suffrage for barely longer than I've been alive, it's hard to make that claim about them. (This instead seems to be good old-fashioned sex-based discrimination, like the draft in the US.)
- pyuser583 4y agoThe fact that Swiss women didn’t vote until (relatively) recently is not important. The fact that the were subject to ECHR jurisdiction is. The ECHR has immense respect for countries political processes, and allows all sorts of nasty laws (gay marriage bans, etc). My point is that this sort of micromanagement does not seem consistent with the ECHRs usual hands-off approach.
- 1letterunixname 4y agoECHR, petitions, suggestions boxes, Reddit, #TeamTrees, and most forms of protesting: zero-impact.
- rayiner 4y agoThat’s typical for courts in Europe. For example, I don’t think any EU country legalized same-sex marriage by court order. I’m also not aware of any European country where abortion was legalized by court ruling. The US Supreme Court is unusual in running roughshod over the political process as much as it does.
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- rayiner 4y agoYou’ve got it backward. European courts have been more respectful of the democratic process when it comes to social laws than Republican-majority Supreme Courts in the US. 5 of the 7 Justices in the Roe majority were Republicans.
- mwint 4y agoRespectful of the democratic process? I get opposing the Roe reversal, but Roe wasn’t created by the democratic process any more than it was just overturned by it. And the democratic process could pass Roe as law tomorrow, if it so chose.
- tbrownaw 4y agoI think that's the point? The comment you're replying to seems to be saying that the US supreme court has been disrespecting the democratic process for quite a while, so blaming it on the current makeup doesn't really fit.
- pyuser583 4y agoWhy doesn’t that restraint apply in this situation?
- rayiner 4y agoArticle 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights is pretty cut and dry: > ARTICLE 14 Prohibition of discrimination The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status. I suspect the fiction of fitting a “male breadwinner” exception into this clear language became unsustainable.
- calvinmorrison 4y ago1971 it's burned into my brain
- CodeSgt 4y agoSo even longer! I was under the impression, for whatever reason, that it happened in the 90's. Looks like 50 years would have been closer to the mark.
- Rebelgecko 4y agoSome local elections didn't allow women until the 90s, but universal suffrage for national elections was a few decades earlier