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Since the title is clickbait, here's what happened. interviewing.io runs an interviewing platform. They noticed women were performing worse than men. They bu

Since the title is clickbait, here's what happened. interviewing.io runs an interviewing platform. They noticed women were performing worse than men. They built a voice modulator to mask the gender of candidates. Masking had no effect on interview performance for any scoring criteria. They speculate that gender differences in outcomes are caused by women quitting more quickly in response to negative feedback.

TulliusCicero 4y ago
The title doesn't seem like clickbait to me. Seems pretty straightforward really. Now if they had written the second part of the title like, "You won't believe what happened next!" that would be clickbait.
- mgraczyk 4y ago
  They could have said what happens next in just as many characters, but chose not to. I assume the reason is because fewer people would read the article in that case.
  - toxicFork 4y ago
    That sounds like the opposite of click bait. Not revealing something that would make people have aversion. I don't know if it has a name.
    - tpoacher 4y ago
      It does. It's called clickbait. :p If you'd like to clearly differentiate it from a more stringent definition of clickbait, I guess one could call it clickbait by omission. It's like when you pretend to have thrown a nut to a squirrel, but in reality you just made a gesture. The squirrel will go look for the nut regardless. You not throwing a 'decoy' nut isn't the important part w.r.t. the desired outcome. You still 'baited' them.
    - knighthack 4y ago
      Clickbait is just as often about half-truths, or omissions. Anything that leads to a reader/viewer asking "Why?/What?", and which triggers the human curiosity that leads to a click - constitutes clickbait. Such content may later disappoint or cause annoyance to the reader/viewer; but they still clicked, which is all that matters.
  - renonce 4y ago
    I would refer to Veritasium's opinion on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng
    - chakhs 4y ago
      always failed to see how normalizing clickbaits is for the greater good. more like for better income, which I could understand
- elzbardico 4y ago
  "If you are a woman, learn this simple one trick that can land you a job in FAANG."
  - yazzku 4y ago
    "Doctors are PUZZLED by this simple trick to land women in FAANG."
- collegeburner 4y ago
  tbh i got to the point of just assuming that unless someone intentionally writes a descriptive title it's clickbait. they could have put "masking voice gender in interviews showed no significant outcome change". if you aren't intentionally making the title maximally descriptive and information packed, just like any other good writing should be, i'm gonna say it's clickbait.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    > they could have put "masking voice gender in interviews showed no significant outcome change" They could have, but that’s background information supporting the article’s topic, not its findings. You and several others will walk away with that finding from their research, and I will walk away having read and understood the interest in better understanding how attrition affects outcomes. I wouldn’t have any clue that I could learn that from the title you suggest. If they’d tried to cram the point of interest I found into the title, it would be derided as editorializing. The title is probably the best they could do: we had a hypothesis. Implicit in that is some findings and some further line of questioning. Sure that’s “clickbait” in a literal sense, but it’s a title. If you could fit the article in the title you wouldn’t have a distinction between articles and titles. You’d have tweet. Just one. Choose your wording carefully!
  - rhacker 4y ago
    star wars: the empire strikes back - and vader is luke's dad.
    - collegeburner 4y ago
      lmao this is obviously less applicable outside of factual articles.
- totetsu 4y ago
  We' did X to Y Is so common it must be in some clickbait 101 subreddit wiki
burnished 4y ago
They show a huge difference in attrition rates after bad interviews in the first two interviews (I might be missing nuance here). They speculate it could be related to other studies in self perception with huge caveats and ample marking of the speculation.
- m463 4y ago
  This might be more nuanced. I remember getting pulled over for speeding with a female in the passenger seat. Afterwards, she was quite adept at pointing out exactly when he made up his mind and the outcome could not be changed.
  - dannyw 4y ago
    I suspect n=1 anecdotes are useless here.
  - jimbob21 4y ago
    Did you later call and ask the officer if that was the exact second he decided you will get a ticket? Or were you merely persuaded by her saying that was what happened?
  - rowanG077 4y ago
    How did you come to believe this information to be correct? I'd don't expect the officer literally told you.
  - captain_precise 4y ago
collegeburner 4y ago
i wonder if voice masking is actually enough. i (zoomer) know my voice is significantly different from most of my female peers. idk if this makes sense but i have a more stereotypically "confident" inflection, like my phrases don't rise in pitch at the end, i don't have the "creaky voice" thing etc. i also notice women tend to use more superlative optimistic phrasing ("perfect" vs "good" in response to something) and less definite language (prefacing more often with "i feel" or "maybe"). this is all obv anecdotal but i'm guessing i could guess male vs. female even if the pitches were modulated to be equal. shame there's no example of how male voices sounded modulated.
- bobthepanda 4y ago
  Voice and accents are very identifying, and some are indeed associated with gender (e.g. the “Valley” accent of California). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_profiling https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_profiling
- renonce 4y ago
  These things might be in theory possible but I wonder if any interviewer would watch out for such little things just to identify if the interviewee is a man or woman. Maybe we should get some more example modulated voices so we know for ourself.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    i agree but there are people who argue "unconscious bias" is at play and interviewers could unconsciously recognize the voice. like the female example they gave it's still extremely apart from how normal men talk, i didn't have to focus at all. though tbh my first thought was it sounded like a gay male so maybe it sort of works?
tennisflyi 4y ago
I've always assumed women were better at selling themselves than men.

TulliusCicero 4y ago

The title doesn't seem like clickbait to me. Seems pretty straightforward really. Now if they had written the second part of the title like, "You won't believe what happened next!" that would be clickbait.

mgraczyk 4y ago
They could have said what happens next in just as many characters, but chose not to. I assume the reason is because fewer people would read the article in that case.
- toxicFork 4y ago
  That sounds like the opposite of click bait. Not revealing something that would make people have aversion. I don't know if it has a name.
  - tpoacher 4y ago
    It does. It's called clickbait. :p If you'd like to clearly differentiate it from a more stringent definition of clickbait, I guess one could call it clickbait by omission. It's like when you pretend to have thrown a nut to a squirrel, but in reality you just made a gesture. The squirrel will go look for the nut regardless. You not throwing a 'decoy' nut isn't the important part w.r.t. the desired outcome. You still 'baited' them.
  - knighthack 4y ago
    Clickbait is just as often about half-truths, or omissions. Anything that leads to a reader/viewer asking "Why?/What?", and which triggers the human curiosity that leads to a click - constitutes clickbait. Such content may later disappoint or cause annoyance to the reader/viewer; but they still clicked, which is all that matters.
- renonce 4y ago
  I would refer to Veritasium's opinion on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng
  - chakhs 4y ago
    always failed to see how normalizing clickbaits is for the greater good. more like for better income, which I could understand
elzbardico 4y ago
"If you are a woman, learn this simple one trick that can land you a job in FAANG."
- yazzku 4y ago
  "Doctors are PUZZLED by this simple trick to land women in FAANG."
collegeburner 4y ago
tbh i got to the point of just assuming that unless someone intentionally writes a descriptive title it's clickbait. they could have put "masking voice gender in interviews showed no significant outcome change". if you aren't intentionally making the title maximally descriptive and information packed, just like any other good writing should be, i'm gonna say it's clickbait.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  > they could have put "masking voice gender in interviews showed no significant outcome change" They could have, but that’s background information supporting the article’s topic, not its findings. You and several others will walk away with that finding from their research, and I will walk away having read and understood the interest in better understanding how attrition affects outcomes. I wouldn’t have any clue that I could learn that from the title you suggest. If they’d tried to cram the point of interest I found into the title, it would be derided as editorializing. The title is probably the best they could do: we had a hypothesis. Implicit in that is some findings and some further line of questioning. Sure that’s “clickbait” in a literal sense, but it’s a title. If you could fit the article in the title you wouldn’t have a distinction between articles and titles. You’d have tweet. Just one. Choose your wording carefully!
- rhacker 4y ago
  star wars: the empire strikes back - and vader is luke's dad.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    lmao this is obviously less applicable outside of factual articles.
totetsu 4y ago
We' did X to Y Is so common it must be in some clickbait 101 subreddit wiki

burnished 4y ago

They show a huge difference in attrition rates after bad interviews in the first two interviews (I might be missing nuance here). They speculate it could be related to other studies in self perception with huge caveats and ample marking of the speculation.

m463 4y ago
This might be more nuanced. I remember getting pulled over for speeding with a female in the passenger seat. Afterwards, she was quite adept at pointing out exactly when he made up his mind and the outcome could not be changed.
- dannyw 4y ago
  I suspect n=1 anecdotes are useless here.
- jimbob21 4y ago
  Did you later call and ask the officer if that was the exact second he decided you will get a ticket? Or were you merely persuaded by her saying that was what happened?
- rowanG077 4y ago
  How did you come to believe this information to be correct? I'd don't expect the officer literally told you.
- captain_precise 4y ago

collegeburner 4y ago

i wonder if voice masking is actually enough. i (zoomer) know my voice is significantly different from most of my female peers. idk if this makes sense but i have a more stereotypically "confident" inflection, like my phrases don't rise in pitch at the end, i don't have the "creaky voice" thing etc. i also notice women tend to use more superlative optimistic phrasing ("perfect" vs "good" in response to something) and less definite language (prefacing more often with "i feel" or "maybe"). this is all obv anecdotal but i'm guessing i could guess male vs. female even if the pitches were modulated to be equal. shame there's no example of how male voices sounded modulated.

bobthepanda 4y ago
Voice and accents are very identifying, and some are indeed associated with gender (e.g. the “Valley” accent of California). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_profiling https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_profiling
renonce 4y ago
These things might be in theory possible but I wonder if any interviewer would watch out for such little things just to identify if the interviewee is a man or woman. Maybe we should get some more example modulated voices so we know for ourself.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  i agree but there are people who argue "unconscious bias" is at play and interviewers could unconsciously recognize the voice. like the female example they gave it's still extremely apart from how normal men talk, i didn't have to focus at all. though tbh my first thought was it sounded like a gay male so maybe it sort of works?

tennisflyi 4y ago

I've always assumed women were better at selling themselves than men.