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”Woke” is a flawed term for a sprawling movement, but the best I’ve read on it is Wesley Yang's framework of successor ideology. As it would happen, Wikipedia a

”Woke” is a flawed term for a sprawling movement, but the best I’ve read on it is Wesley Yang's framework of successor ideology. As it would happen, Wikipedia actually has a pretty good overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Successor_ideology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Successor_ideology

jwmcq 4y ago
Wow, what a theory. Please, tell me more about the authoritarianism of the least powerful people in society. To be fair, I was being glib there. This probably is the best attempt I've seen to define it - certainly better than when I usually ask the question that I did. In truth, though, I believe there is no 'woke' movement. I'm old enough to remember when people moaning about this stuff called it "political correctness gone mad" and, just like then, I have seen very little to convince me that 'wokism' and 'wokeness' are not just terms used by reactionaries who enter the 'free marketplace of ideas' and lose.
- chudmeister 4y ago
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version_five 4y ago
See what happens when you reply to "could you define it" comments? It's just a rhetorical device to set you up to then start debating your definition. Better to just ignore
- jwmcq 4y ago
  Heaven forbid someone asks you to define the terms you're arguing from. You're right, though, it's absolutely a rhetorical device. But I'll continue to use it because it's quite effective - I've yet to see a definition from someone complaining about 'wokeness' that doesn't devolve into "I just want to continue making things worse for marginialised people, and will complain when a large enough number of people tell me off for it". I am absolutely open to you setting me straight on this, by the way, but I genuinely don't see much of a difference betweeen the reaction against what is currently called 'woke' and the complaints in the 1980/90s about the 'political correctness' of not being able to use racial slurs or sexist language on TV or in print any more. We know who was on the right side of history there, I'd like to think.
  - tsegratis 4y ago
    I guess it's a hard topic I took you to be writing against 'wokeism' until your second to last sentence, and then I was confused For me, it means judging other people, for judging other people Probably you define 'wokeism' as something else, and then I'd of understood you better Edit: just to add, judging others is of-course sensible at many levels. The problem might be when I judge people more strongly than they are judging others. At that point I am part of the problem. I think we are very blind to our own faults, and this modern direction misses that

jwmcq 4y ago

Wow, what a theory. Please, tell me more about the authoritarianism of the least powerful people in society. To be fair, I was being glib there. This probably is the best attempt I've seen to define it - certainly better than when I usually ask the question that I did. In truth, though, I believe there is no 'woke' movement. I'm old enough to remember when people moaning about this stuff called it "political correctness gone mad" and, just like then, I have seen very little to convince me that 'wokism' and 'wokeness' are not just terms used by reactionaries who enter the 'free marketplace of ideas' and lose.

chudmeister 4y ago
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version_five 4y ago

See what happens when you reply to "could you define it" comments? It's just a rhetorical device to set you up to then start debating your definition. Better to just ignore

jwmcq 4y ago
Heaven forbid someone asks you to define the terms you're arguing from. You're right, though, it's absolutely a rhetorical device. But I'll continue to use it because it's quite effective - I've yet to see a definition from someone complaining about 'wokeness' that doesn't devolve into "I just want to continue making things worse for marginialised people, and will complain when a large enough number of people tell me off for it". I am absolutely open to you setting me straight on this, by the way, but I genuinely don't see much of a difference betweeen the reaction against what is currently called 'woke' and the complaints in the 1980/90s about the 'political correctness' of not being able to use racial slurs or sexist language on TV or in print any more. We know who was on the right side of history there, I'd like to think.
- tsegratis 4y ago
  I guess it's a hard topic I took you to be writing against 'wokeism' until your second to last sentence, and then I was confused For me, it means judging other people, for judging other people Probably you define 'wokeism' as something else, and then I'd of understood you better Edit: just to add, judging others is of-course sensible at many levels. The problem might be when I judge people more strongly than they are judging others. At that point I am part of the problem. I think we are very blind to our own faults, and this modern direction misses that