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Yea that's what happens when Apple teams up with teens to bully anyone without an iPhone.

by kcb 4y ago

prange 4y ago
Oh yes?
Spivak 4y ago
It really does suck to be in group chats with Android users, pictures get downsized, "Person loved 'message'", voice memos don't work, you can't see people's dnd status, no deliver quietly, no typing indicators or read receipts. You can't airdrop to them, or share iCloud notes, or contribute to shared photo albums. Facetime is far and away the best video calling experience that exists. Android phones just aren't good enough to be worth the switch, especially when they're the same price. I've never paid more than $300 for an iPhone. There's no actual draw to Android, your choices on the market today are iPhones and worse off brand iPhones desperately trying to be iPhones. It used to be a meme that at every WWCD Apple would announce features that Android had for years and we'd all have a laugh but now it's flipped the other way which is honestly embarrassing for Google who burnt through so much of their advantage.
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  > Android phones just aren't good enough to be worth the switch, especially when they're the same price. I've never paid more than $300 for an iPhone. Where, if I may ask, do you get such a good deal?
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    They either buy used or a couple generation old. I've never paid more than $350 for an iphone myself. If you don't "have to have" cutting edge, then older phones are fine.
    - Dracophoenix 4y ago
      How old is old in this case? 1 or 2 generations of the lowest (SE) or second lowest (mini/regular) tiers?
      - alden5 4y ago
        i just got a 12 mini for $350
    - Spivak 4y ago
      Yep! I’m always sitting 2-3 gens back. My current is an iPhone X which is more than capable and I’ve felt no need whatsoever to upgrade.
  - Fezzik 4y ago
    In the last decade I have never paid more than $0.00 for an iPhone. Just wait for mobile carriers to offer free phones. I switched from T-Mobile to Verizon 2 weeks ago and got a 128gig iPhone 13 mini for free. I actually wanted the SE because I like the home button but it was $400 some bucks. Carriers are constantly having promos like that when they have excess stock, the promos are just not always advertised.
    - Dracophoenix 4y ago
      Did you have to sign a 12-24 month contract with early termination clause?
    - hnburnsy 4y ago
      Try paying cash for your phone and get a data plan from mint mobile or Google fi for $15-17 per month. you will save money.
- zaik 4y ago
  No wonder Apple dropped XMPP support when walled gardens are much more effetive for market capture.
  - Tagbert 4y ago
    Do Google’s chat apps support XMPP? Would it help iMessage connect to Android’s chat(s)?
    - GeekyBear 4y ago
      Google did support XMPP, but they dropped it.
- Teknoman117 4y ago
  The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. It sucks because Apple wants it to suck to push iOS and macOS sales. Pretty useless blaming Android for that. I have managed to push most of the people I know to not use SMS or iMessage and use Signal - we can all have a high quality chat and media sharing experience with a comparable (or superior) security model on whatever device you have. iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux, etc.
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    > The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. Apple forced Google to screw up it's messaging strategy for all these years? >Google has been unable to field a stable, competitive messaging platform for years and has thoroughly lost the messaging war to products with a long-term strategy. At least some divisions inside the company are waking up to how damaging this is to Google as a company, and now Google's latest strategy is to... beg its competition for mercy? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs-apple-for-mercy-in-messaging-war/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
    - theptip 4y ago
      The article you link mentions Google asking Apple to use RCS, which is the industry standard for messaging interop these days, not SMS. Apple has so far declined, so nobody can function in their Messages app.
      - GeekyBear 4y ago
        >RCS, which is the industry standard The article I linked to points out that RCS, as used by Google today, is a proprietary closed source fork of RCS that Google has refused to create a public API for. >Google's version of RCS—the one promoted on the website with Google-exclusive features like optional encryption—is definitely proprietary, by the way. If this is supposed to be a standard, there's no way for a third-party to use Google's RCS APIs right now. Some messaging apps, like Beeper, have asked Google about integrating RCS and were told there's no public RCS API and no plans to build one. If you want to implement RCS, you'll need to run the messages through some kind of service, and who provides that server? It will probably be Google. So the pitch for Apple to adopt RCS isn't just this public-good nonsense about making texts with Android users better; it's also about running Apple's messages through Google servers. Google profits in both server fees and data acquisition. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs-apple-for-mercy-in-messaging-war/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
- anotherrandom 4y ago
  I thought the pictures being downsized was due to compression to more easily go through SMS whereas iMessage is an internet-based chat, not just because "Android bad"
  - k4rli 4y ago
    His entire "argument" was that iOS is better because it uses a proprietary internet chat while Android cannot use the same service.
- deleted 4y ago
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- k4rli 4y ago
  Android not being compatible with completely different phone's using mainly closed-source proprietary software.. It's not at all reasonable to expect other phone brands to support Facetime, iCloud, or whatever other service they have. This entire comment is headboggling, amazing how one can be so closeminded that they only see value in Apple.
curt15 4y ago
Would you want your kid to have a device that gets quickly abandoned by its manufacturer with unpatched security holes?

Yea that's what happens when Apple teams up with teens to bully anyone without an iPhone.

by kcb 4y ago

Yea that's what happens when Apple teams up with teens to bully anyone without an iPhone.

prange 4y ago

Oh yes?

Spivak 4y ago

It really does suck to be in group chats with Android users, pictures get downsized, "Person loved 'message'", voice memos don't work, you can't see people's dnd status, no deliver quietly, no typing indicators or read receipts. You can't airdrop to them, or share iCloud notes, or contribute to shared photo albums. Facetime is far and away the best video calling experience that exists. Android phones just aren't good enough to be worth the switch, especially when they're the same price. I've never paid more than $300 for an iPhone. There's no actual draw to Android, your choices on the market today are iPhones and worse off brand iPhones desperately trying to be iPhones. It used to be a meme that at every WWCD Apple would announce features that Android had for years and we'd all have a laugh but now it's flipped the other way which is honestly embarrassing for Google who burnt through so much of their advantage.

Dracophoenix 4y ago
> Android phones just aren't good enough to be worth the switch, especially when they're the same price. I've never paid more than $300 for an iPhone. Where, if I may ask, do you get such a good deal?
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  They either buy used or a couple generation old. I've never paid more than $350 for an iphone myself. If you don't "have to have" cutting edge, then older phones are fine.
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    How old is old in this case? 1 or 2 generations of the lowest (SE) or second lowest (mini/regular) tiers?
    - alden5 4y ago
      i just got a 12 mini for $350
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Yep! I’m always sitting 2-3 gens back. My current is an iPhone X which is more than capable and I’ve felt no need whatsoever to upgrade.
- Fezzik 4y ago
  In the last decade I have never paid more than $0.00 for an iPhone. Just wait for mobile carriers to offer free phones. I switched from T-Mobile to Verizon 2 weeks ago and got a 128gig iPhone 13 mini for free. I actually wanted the SE because I like the home button but it was $400 some bucks. Carriers are constantly having promos like that when they have excess stock, the promos are just not always advertised.
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    Did you have to sign a 12-24 month contract with early termination clause?
  - hnburnsy 4y ago
    Try paying cash for your phone and get a data plan from mint mobile or Google fi for $15-17 per month. you will save money.
zaik 4y ago
No wonder Apple dropped XMPP support when walled gardens are much more effetive for market capture.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  Do Google’s chat apps support XMPP? Would it help iMessage connect to Android’s chat(s)?
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    Google did support XMPP, but they dropped it.
Teknoman117 4y ago
The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. It sucks because Apple wants it to suck to push iOS and macOS sales. Pretty useless blaming Android for that. I have managed to push most of the people I know to not use SMS or iMessage and use Signal - we can all have a high quality chat and media sharing experience with a comparable (or superior) security model on whatever device you have. iOS, Android, Mac, Windows, Linux, etc.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  > The problem with chat experience is that it's really, truly not Android's fault, it's Apple's. Apple forced Google to screw up it's messaging strategy for all these years? >Google has been unable to field a stable, competitive messaging platform for years and has thoroughly lost the messaging war to products with a long-term strategy. At least some divisions inside the company are waking up to how damaging this is to Google as a company, and now Google's latest strategy is to... beg its competition for mercy? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs-apple-for-mercy-in-messaging-war/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
  - theptip 4y ago
    The article you link mentions Google asking Apple to use RCS, which is the industry standard for messaging interop these days, not SMS. Apple has so far declined, so nobody can function in their Messages app.
    - GeekyBear 4y ago
      >RCS, which is the industry standard The article I linked to points out that RCS, as used by Google today, is a proprietary closed source fork of RCS that Google has refused to create a public API for. >Google's version of RCS—the one promoted on the website with Google-exclusive features like optional encryption—is definitely proprietary, by the way. If this is supposed to be a standard, there's no way for a third-party to use Google's RCS APIs right now. Some messaging apps, like Beeper, have asked Google about integrating RCS and were told there's no public RCS API and no plans to build one. If you want to implement RCS, you'll need to run the messages through some kind of service, and who provides that server? It will probably be Google. So the pitch for Apple to adopt RCS isn't just this public-good nonsense about making texts with Android users better; it's also about running Apple's messages through Google servers. Google profits in both server fees and data acquisition. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs-apple-for-mercy-in-messaging-war/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
anotherrandom 4y ago
I thought the pictures being downsized was due to compression to more easily go through SMS whereas iMessage is an internet-based chat, not just because "Android bad"
- k4rli 4y ago
  His entire "argument" was that iOS is better because it uses a proprietary internet chat while Android cannot use the same service.
deleted 4y ago
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k4rli 4y ago
Android not being compatible with completely different phone's using mainly closed-source proprietary software.. It's not at all reasonable to expect other phone brands to support Facetime, iCloud, or whatever other service they have. This entire comment is headboggling, amazing how one can be so closeminded that they only see value in Apple.

curt15 4y ago

Would you want your kid to have a device that gets quickly abandoned by its manufacturer with unpatched security holes?