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You can't be seriously saying that Hollywood plays such a big role in people's culture and upbringing the world over, that a few movies would lead to such a fun

by llampx 4y ago

You can't be seriously saying that Hollywood plays such a big role in people's culture and upbringing the world over, that a few movies would lead to such a fundamental difference? That's giving the movie industry more credit than they give themselves with the Oscars.

spoiler 4y ago
In a world where baby boomers (I forgot the politically neutral term, sorry) emotionally neglected their children, most turned to various media such as tv and internet (or other media) for their emotional management expectations, and role models.
- stopagephobia 4y ago
  The polite term is People of Age or PoA for short. I appreciate your caring enough to ask!
- drekipus 4y ago
  It's a tradition that's continued with YouTube replacing tv and Netflix with movies. My sister has 3 kids under 10. Every day they watch at least 3 movies, some of them atleast presentable as childlike learning, the others are just "whatever Netflix puts on"
  - Sharlin 4y ago
    Jesus. We didn't even have a VCR when I and my siblings were under 10. Movies were maybe once or twice a week thing.
- hirvi74 4y ago
  Perhaps some of issues with emotional management expectations, roles models, etc. can be placed on baby boomers, but not solely for their parenting style. From what I have gathered over my life, it seems like many of the parents of baby boomers were far worse parents than the parents many baby boomers eventually became. I would argue the most damage has come from the near complete and utter erosion of social communities. As the saying goes, "It takes a village [community] to raise a child." I can't name a role model in my community. In fact, I have no community that I can access without the Internet. We went from "Survive together; thrive together" to "every man for himself" way too rapidly.
adamrezich 4y ago
dude what are you talking about? I didn't realize it until I was older but my dad essentially modeled his entire personality off Hawkeye Pierce when he was in college and then all manner of sitcom dads once he was older. this is not uncommon at all. humans model roles based upon the roles they see modeled. film & television (& now tiktok et al.) give people an unrealistic view into a fake world that our minds are not fully evolutionarily equipped to grapple with.
Gigachad 4y ago
Yes, it's why people like Jordan Peterson are so popular, with profound advice like "Clean your room", "Eat healthy", and "Stand up straight with your shoulders back". It's obvious advice but so many people had absent parenting and ended up as failures and need to be told the absolute basics. If they get this advice from social media or corporate media, they are being led in the wrong direction.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Peterson's advice isn't undisputable, absolute basics. There is no shortage of parenting advice, much of it specific to their own kids and not backed by reproducible research. Obviously some parents are undeniably negligent, but let's take care not to blame them as a homogenous cohort.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    I’m not sure what the point of this comment is or how it relates to the topic. My point is that yes, there are a lot of people out there searching for life advice and self improvement. They suck it up from books, movies, social media, the news. Some of that advice is absolute crap and some of it is beneficial. There are absolutely people who will see personalities in movies and try to take something from that. In fact I’d say none of us are immune from doing it.
robocat 4y ago
How does a child learn behaviours? Children learn implicitly from the behaviours they see - mostly mimicking others. Adults do the same thing. However most adults think they make conscious/rational choices, and they think they are not driven by subconscious behaviours. I am not saying we learn to be killers by watching murder mysteries. I am saying we subconsciously learn some behaviours from the media we watch.
robocat 4y ago
Better answer: “I think it’s obvious to everyone but it still can’t be said enough: the stories we learn, especially as children, define our social reality as adults in ways we often don’t even realize. It’s not just that our desires are shaped by what others desire, though that’s true, also, it’s that the stories we learn become normative, they become our models for how we interact with other people. Ask any parent and they’ll tell you, after your kids watch cartoons, they imitate what they’ve seen. That doesn’t stop happening when you grow up, just all the seams and the hard edges get smoothed over, and the stories you learn as a kid count for triple at least.” — https://zerohplovecraft.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-porn-by-the-last https://zerohplovecraft.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-por... via https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-porn https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-porn

by llampx 4y ago

spoiler 4y ago

In a world where baby boomers (I forgot the politically neutral term, sorry) emotionally neglected their children, most turned to various media such as tv and internet (or other media) for their emotional management expectations, and role models.

stopagephobia 4y ago
The polite term is People of Age or PoA for short. I appreciate your caring enough to ask!
drekipus 4y ago
It's a tradition that's continued with YouTube replacing tv and Netflix with movies. My sister has 3 kids under 10. Every day they watch at least 3 movies, some of them atleast presentable as childlike learning, the others are just "whatever Netflix puts on"
- Sharlin 4y ago
  Jesus. We didn't even have a VCR when I and my siblings were under 10. Movies were maybe once or twice a week thing.
hirvi74 4y ago
Perhaps some of issues with emotional management expectations, roles models, etc. can be placed on baby boomers, but not solely for their parenting style. From what I have gathered over my life, it seems like many of the parents of baby boomers were far worse parents than the parents many baby boomers eventually became. I would argue the most damage has come from the near complete and utter erosion of social communities. As the saying goes, "It takes a village [community] to raise a child." I can't name a role model in my community. In fact, I have no community that I can access without the Internet. We went from "Survive together; thrive together" to "every man for himself" way too rapidly.

adamrezich 4y ago

dude what are you talking about? I didn't realize it until I was older but my dad essentially modeled his entire personality off Hawkeye Pierce when he was in college and then all manner of sitcom dads once he was older. this is not uncommon at all. humans model roles based upon the roles they see modeled. film & television (& now tiktok et al.) give people an unrealistic view into a fake world that our minds are not fully evolutionarily equipped to grapple with.

Gigachad 4y ago

Yes, it's why people like Jordan Peterson are so popular, with profound advice like "Clean your room", "Eat healthy", and "Stand up straight with your shoulders back". It's obvious advice but so many people had absent parenting and ended up as failures and need to be told the absolute basics. If they get this advice from social media or corporate media, they are being led in the wrong direction.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Peterson's advice isn't undisputable, absolute basics. There is no shortage of parenting advice, much of it specific to their own kids and not backed by reproducible research. Obviously some parents are undeniably negligent, but let's take care not to blame them as a homogenous cohort.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  I’m not sure what the point of this comment is or how it relates to the topic. My point is that yes, there are a lot of people out there searching for life advice and self improvement. They suck it up from books, movies, social media, the news. Some of that advice is absolute crap and some of it is beneficial. There are absolutely people who will see personalities in movies and try to take something from that. In fact I’d say none of us are immune from doing it.

robocat 4y ago

How does a child learn behaviours? Children learn implicitly from the behaviours they see - mostly mimicking others. Adults do the same thing. However most adults think they make conscious/rational choices, and they think they are not driven by subconscious behaviours. I am not saying we learn to be killers by watching murder mysteries. I am saying we subconsciously learn some behaviours from the media we watch.

robocat 4y ago

Better answer: “I think it’s obvious to everyone but it still can’t be said enough: the stories we learn, especially as children, define our social reality as adults in ways we often don’t even realize. It’s not just that our desires are shaped by what others desire, though that’s true, also, it’s that the stories we learn become normative, they become our models for how we interact with other people. Ask any parent and they’ll tell you, after your kids watch cartoons, they imitate what they’ve seen. That doesn’t stop happening when you grow up, just all the seams and the hard edges get smoothed over, and the stories you learn as a kid count for triple at least.” — https://zerohplovecraft.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-porn-by-the-last https://zerohplovecraft.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-por... via https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-porn https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/book-review-sadly-porn