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I was wondering why the US is so obsessed with diversity alone the line of race and gender instead of social-economical status, education background, career bac

I was wondering why the US is so obsessed with diversity alone the line of race and gender instead of social-economical status, education background, career background, and etc? If I'm developing a statistical model, wouldn't it make more sense if my diversity means having in my team people who have statistics background, people who study statistical physics, people who are great at maths, people who are great at building a team, people who are creative, people who communicate and market and sell well, people who are amazing engineers, and people who are experts in the domain for which I develop my model? Why would I be interested in my team member's sex orientation, their gender, or their race? Or on the other hand, why would give up Quoc Le for Gebru if I have only one opening for developing the next generation of NLP model? Just because Quoc is an "over-represented" Asian and Gebru is the vanguard of righteousness and checks all the boxes of diversity? Or why not by my birth origin? Say, India? India is a huge country with diverse languages, cultures, histories, religions, and social structures. I guarantee you that I had such a unique background among the other 10,000 ones in India because I grew up in this particular family in this particular town of this particular state in this particular union territory.

kodyo 4y ago
For the purposes of American HR Marxists, Indians are Indians, but Indian women are just a little better for the optics. Smart dudes need to opt out of the game entirely.
arpstick 4y ago
it's checkbox compliance all the way up to the top. it's only for show as if people wanted a rigorous solution the problem, the mechanisms in play and each possible solution would have been documented in autistic detail before anyone put it out. this is a kind of issue you would keep junior talent and HR far far away from at all costs. this is software after all, people who care about something specific, care a LOT. this topic is a real issue but it has been tainted by racial political framing. imo, start with women in tech first, then go from there.
twomoonsbysurf 4y ago
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Georgelemental 4y ago
It's because of the law. The civil rights legislation of the 1960s helped to destroy the evil of segregation. But the system that was once healthy and beneficial has now become a cancerous tumor that is metastasizing and infecting everything. https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-just-civil-rights https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-j...
Der_Einzige 4y ago
Gebrus work was not especially impactful before the giant blowup about the Google paper.
raarts 4y ago
There is a guy out there who spent a few years investigating this. He traced back the term in the scientific literature. He calls it Race Marxism. His name is James Lindsey.
Epa095 4y ago
It's weird that none of the answers here mention slavery and segregation. It's really not a long time ago, and not surprising at all that this trauma leaves permanent cultural marks. These people are peoples grandparents, and many of them are still alive: http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/archivesphotos/results/item.do?itemId=P0026600 http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/archivesphotos/results/item....
andrekandre 4y ago
> I was wondering why the US is so obsessed with diversity alone the line of race and gender instead of social-economical status, education background, career background, and etc? because its way easier to do that than fix the real socio-economic/education problems and distracts people from the real root issues that you are eluding to: class

kodyo 4y ago

For the purposes of American HR Marxists, Indians are Indians, but Indian women are just a little better for the optics. Smart dudes need to opt out of the game entirely.

arpstick 4y ago

it's checkbox compliance all the way up to the top. it's only for show as if people wanted a rigorous solution the problem, the mechanisms in play and each possible solution would have been documented in autistic detail before anyone put it out. this is a kind of issue you would keep junior talent and HR far far away from at all costs. this is software after all, people who care about something specific, care a LOT. this topic is a real issue but it has been tainted by racial political framing. imo, start with women in tech first, then go from there.

twomoonsbysurf 4y ago

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Georgelemental 4y ago

It's because of the law. The civil rights legislation of the 1960s helped to destroy the evil of segregation. But the system that was once healthy and beneficial has now become a cancerous tumor that is metastasizing and infecting everything. https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-just-civil-rights https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/woke-institutions-is-j...

Der_Einzige 4y ago

Gebrus work was not especially impactful before the giant blowup about the Google paper.

raarts 4y ago

There is a guy out there who spent a few years investigating this. He traced back the term in the scientific literature. He calls it Race Marxism. His name is James Lindsey.

Epa095 4y ago

It's weird that none of the answers here mention slavery and segregation. It's really not a long time ago, and not surprising at all that this trauma leaves permanent cultural marks. These people are peoples grandparents, and many of them are still alive: http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/archivesphotos/results/item.do?itemId=P0026600 http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/archivesphotos/results/item....

andrekandre 4y ago

> I was wondering why the US is so obsessed with diversity alone the line of race and gender instead of social-economical status, education background, career background, and etc? because its way easier to do that than fix the real socio-economic/education problems and distracts people from the real root issues that you are eluding to: class