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So, I'm not that into Elon Musk's actions here, but the headline makes it sound like it was working in Crimea, and he decided to block it. It was already not w

So, I'm not that into Elon Musk's actions here, but the headline makes it sound like it was working in Crimea, and he decided to block it. It was already not working in Crimea, and he declined to turn it on. I still wish he had, but the fact that he's sticking with the status quo on this particular point is highly relevant. It's more like "staying out of it" than it is like "taking Russia's side". At least on this point.

clouddrover 4y ago
Musk is not staying out of it. He has a lot of free advice for Ukraine: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits-back-as-elon-musk-sets-up-twitter-poll-on-annexed-areas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits... For which he has received the Kremlin's praise: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-kremlin-elon-musk-ukraine-war-peace-plan-twitter-poll-2022-10?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-kremlin-elon-musk-ukr... https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now
dane-pgp 4y ago
The "status quo" under international law and US policy was that Crimea belongs to Ukraine, so when he enabled Starlink for Ukrainian, he should have enabled it for all Ukrainian territory. This is not "staying out of it", this is repeating Kremlin propaganda that Crimea belongs to Russia, and that the West should acquiesce to any nuclear blackmail that Putin makes. Now all Putin needs to do is threaten to nuke America if Musk doesn't shut down Starlink across all of Ukraine, and Musk will have to obey, if he's consistent.
- strangattractor 4y ago
  Isn't it possible that making Starlink available in Crimea is in effect making high speed internet available to the Russians which would not necessarily be to Ukraine's advantage. I would think that many of the people that lived in Crimea and considered themselves Ukrainian have left or if they stayed don't exactly want it to be known. Vlad the Poisoner may just throw them out a window. Elon should get out of geopolitics and stick to what he knows best - overpopulating the Earth.
  - retrocryptid 4y ago
    You could turn if off for people who pay for the service with a credit card with a Moscow address.
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- mannerheim 4y ago
  Providing services or technology 'to the Crimea region of Ukraine' would violate US sanctions.

clouddrover 4y ago

Musk is not staying out of it. He has a lot of free advice for Ukraine: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits-back-as-elon-musk-sets-up-twitter-poll-on-annexed-areas https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/04/zelenskiy-hits... For which he has received the Kremlin's praise: https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-kremlin-elon-musk-ukraine-war-peace-plan-twitter-poll-2022-10?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-kremlin-elon-musk-ukr... https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now https://futurism.com/the-byte/russia-loves-elon-musk-now

dane-pgp 4y ago

The "status quo" under international law and US policy was that Crimea belongs to Ukraine, so when he enabled Starlink for Ukrainian, he should have enabled it for all Ukrainian territory. This is not "staying out of it", this is repeating Kremlin propaganda that Crimea belongs to Russia, and that the West should acquiesce to any nuclear blackmail that Putin makes. Now all Putin needs to do is threaten to nuke America if Musk doesn't shut down Starlink across all of Ukraine, and Musk will have to obey, if he's consistent.

strangattractor 4y ago
Isn't it possible that making Starlink available in Crimea is in effect making high speed internet available to the Russians which would not necessarily be to Ukraine's advantage. I would think that many of the people that lived in Crimea and considered themselves Ukrainian have left or if they stayed don't exactly want it to be known. Vlad the Poisoner may just throw them out a window. Elon should get out of geopolitics and stick to what he knows best - overpopulating the Earth.
- retrocryptid 4y ago
  You could turn if off for people who pay for the service with a credit card with a Moscow address.
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mannerheim 4y ago
Providing services or technology 'to the Crimea region of Ukraine' would violate US sanctions.